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        01-12-2009, 01:39 PM
      #11
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GyPsY GiRL    
    Thank you! That's what I was asking...my trainer has explained it to me but I always get confused trying to do it all at once and usually end up getting stiff and not turning like i'm supposed to.. but thanks again!
    donīt get frustrated. All things need its time. But someday you will do it automatically, Iīm sure! Good luck then!
         
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        01-12-2009, 06:15 PM
      #12
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tawariel    
    oh, do you?

    Well, thatīs how I was taught to bend a horse correctly and it also looks correctly. And up to now all jugdes on tournaments have said to me how good I ride circels with such a beatiful bending.

    But would you be so kind to let us know of YOUR idea to bend a horse? Or can you just disagree?
    Please explain this term

    your inner shank ...........outer shank


    And please explain the half halts on the inside rein

    take your inner hand a little bit up and give from time to time half-halts.


    And please explain why the head and shoulder turns

    turn your shoulders and your head in the direction you want to ride.
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        01-12-2009, 07:22 PM
      #13
    Started
    Well I'm no expert but here is how I get my horse to bend.

    First, move his body first, as bending should be with horses body, not just the neck/head. Push his body with your inside leg, and gently "sponge" your inside rein to get his whole neck and head turned in, not just his face. A good excercise that I use is to make a circle in each corner (not each end, just the corner) with only your legs. Keep your inside shoulder and hip up, turn your head and body towards the center of the circle (but look up!) and push him into a round circle. If his neck is out you can squeeze your inside rein, but mostly leg.


    Also try circling around things such as standards, and work on serpentines. When I was working hard on it, I was able to have my horse do tight, rounded circles with just my body and legs at the walk, trot and canter. If you work hard enough, you will be great at them, it just takes practice!
         
        01-12-2009, 10:52 PM
      #14
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tawariel    
    oh, do you?

    Well, thatīs how I was taught to bend a horse correctly and it also looks correctly. And up to now all jugdes on tournaments have said to me how good I ride circels with such a beatiful bending.

    But would you be so kind to let us know of YOUR idea to bend a horse? Or can you just disagree?
    Personally, I've always been taught to bend a horse with my legs. Only flexion comes from the reins. On and if you're half halting with your reins, then you're pulling.

    To bend a horse properly, the rider must first have complete body control and good position and seat. Then the horse must move forward rhythmically into a steady contact and allow the rider to control the stride while maintaining relaxation and schwung through the entire body. From here the rider should keep both hands down and soft, then apply a half halt and put the inside leg on at the girth and the outside leg behind the girth. The rider should take care to keep the shoulders straight on the line and the haunches should track behind the forehand (this is why we apply to outside leg). Then to establish a slight flexion a the poll the rider should slightly tilt the inside hand so the knuckles are facing downwards. This all happens in about 2 steps of the horse, hopefully less.
    From this "bending" of the body, straightness is established (the haunches always following the forehand) and then collection is developed.
    Of course, this is varied from horse to horse, but as a general summary it works.
         
        01-12-2009, 10:58 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    I don't think they meant apply half halts with the inside rein. I think those were two separate things. Lift the inside rein a tad, and also apply half halts- presumably using seat and leg (assuming the one they're talking to already knows what a proper half-halt is).

    You also said to apply half-halts. I'm not sure if you were contradicting yourself or saying to apply them in a different manner? :{ Giving you the benefit of the doubt and going to assume the latter.
         
        01-12-2009, 11:14 PM
      #16
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ne0n Zero    
    I don't think they meant apply half halts with the inside rein. I think those were two separate things. Lift the inside rein a tad, and also apply half halts- presumably using seat and leg (assuming the one they're talking to already knows what a proper half-halt is).

    You also said to apply half-halts. I'm not sure if you were contradicting yourself or saying to apply them in a different manner? :{ Giving you the benefit of the doubt and going to assume the latter.
    Ha yeah sorry, now that I read that again it does kind of sound to be divided... I've been reading Middle English text all day :P
    And when you first start the tiniest tad of teaching bend, like on a 20m circle, your hands should both stay down and together so that the horse (and rider) don't learn to depend on the hand and can instead produce a correct bend from leg position and half halts. When more bend is needed, yes the rider can lift the inside hand, as long as they take care not to pull backwards.
         
        01-12-2009, 11:21 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    Ha yeah sorry, now that I read that again it does kind of sound to be divided... I've been reading Middle English text all day :P
    And when you first start the tiniest tad of teaching bend, like on a 20m circle, your hands should both stay down and together so that the horse (and rider) don't learn to depend on the hand and can instead produce a correct bend from leg position and half halts. When more bend is needed, yes the rider can lift the inside hand, as long as they take care not to pull backwards.
    Agreed.
         
        01-13-2009, 02:22 PM
      #18
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spyder    
    Please explain this term

    your inner shank ...........outer shank
    I meant, that the leg which is inside is at the girth and gives active aids, the outside leg is a hand behind the girth, but gives only passive aids. Clear?

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spyder    
    And please explain the half halts on the inside rein

    take your inner hand a little bit up and give from time to time half-halts.
    oh sorry. I actually wanted to say: give half-halts with the outside rein. The inner hand does nothing, except being a little bit higher.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spyder    
    And please explain why the head and shoulder turns

    turn your shoulders and your head in the direction you want to ride.
    .
    Why not? Or do you look on the right side, while riding a bend to the left?
         
        01-13-2009, 03:32 PM
      #19
    Foal
    Yeh i've always been taught to bend the horse with my legs so that the whole of the horse is bending not just the head and neck, the track of the hindlegs should follow the track of the fore legs.

    I've always been taught to bend a horse like this:

    The horse should be moving forward positively maintaining balance, the rider should be balanced themself and be incontrol of the horse.
    The outside hand should maintain a light contact allowing the horse to move freely so the horse can be moving forward actively.
    The inside hand should be slightly open with the rider flexing the arm to great a slight bend of the neck.
    The inside leg maintains contact at the girth to keep the horse pushed out and not falling in on the circle, the horse's body should bent around this leg.
    The outside leg should maintain contact but be slightly off the girth.

    Once the horse has started to bent and the rider can see the inside eye and nostril, both legs should be used to encourage the horse to bring it's hocks further underneath and th horse should flex it's topline.
    The horse should then relax it's poll and jaw and should maintain the bent and be moving forward positively.
    The rider should turn their head and shoulders inward in the direction they want to travel, keeping they're body relaxed but not dropping the shoulders.

    That's how I was taught by my instructors hope it helps!!

    Anebel offtopic: but what do you mean by middle english text?
         
        01-13-2009, 06:11 PM
      #20
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spyder
    Please explain this term

    your inner shank ...........outer shank

    I meant, that the leg which is inside is at the girth and gives active aids, the outside leg is a hand behind the girth, but gives only passive aids. Clear?

    That is the first time I have ever heard of your leg being referred to as a shank......interesting. To me a shank is the longish pied of metal on a curb bit.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Spyder
    And please explain why the head and shoulder turns

    turn your shoulders and your head in the direction you want to ride.
    .


    Why not? Or do you look on the right side, while riding a bend to the left?


    Riding straight with both halves of my body equally placed on either side of the horse is the way I ride. I would not increase weight by shifting my body position.
         

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