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        01-13-2009, 11:15 PM
      #21
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by tawariel    
    don´t get frustrated. All things need its time. But someday you will do it automatically, I´m sure! Good luck then!

    Thank you!
         
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        01-13-2009, 11:33 PM
      #22
    Foal
    1dog3cats17rodents- thanks I’ll definitely try that. I have ridden the circles in all four corners & done turns with just my legs and body but I haven’t tried the corner circles with just my reins.
    Anebel- thank you! Definitely a lot of detail! I’ll try to remember all that next time!
    Neon-zero = what is the right way to do half halts?...just to make sure I understand it correctly…
    Tawariel- I understood what you meant…lol. & I was trained to turn my head a shoulders in the direction I was going too….if I’m correct ur horse follows all of ur body movements and telling them to turn but facing straight would most likely be a little confusing for them…?
    Welshy- thanks! I think you backed up what others were trying to say! Lol
    Question for everyone?.. if you rode with ur body equally in the saddle and didn’t turn ur body in the direction you were going, wouldn’t that be putting ur weight on the horse instead of relieving it and moving with it?
         
        01-13-2009, 11:40 PM
      #23
    Started
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tawariel    

    Why not? Or do you look on the right side, while riding a bend to the left?
    Wouldn't this make you unstable?
         
        01-13-2009, 11:42 PM
      #24
    Started
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    Originally Posted by GyPsY GiRL    
    Question for everyone?.. if you rode with ur body equally in the saddle and didn’t turn ur body in the direction you were going, wouldn’t that be putting ur weight on the horse instead of relieving it and moving with it?
    No. I only look in the direction I'm going. You don't need to turn your body. Horses are very sensitive and they can feel the slight shifts in your body when you look where you want to go. They can feel this even in a bulky Western saddle like the one I use.
         
        01-13-2009, 11:57 PM
      #25
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Joshie    
    No. I only look in the direction I'm going. You don't need to turn your body. Horses are very sensitive and they can feel the slight shifts in your body when you look where you want to go. They can feel this even in a bulky Western saddle like the one I use.
    well when you turn ur head don't ur shoulders turn slightly?... not ur whole body just ur head a shoulders
         
        01-13-2009, 11:58 PM
      #26
    Yearling
    I KIND OF disagree with turning your head and body in the direction you want to go. Yes, it is okay if you do not do this excessively, just a slight change in your position, because otherwise you may begin to do this when you are riding corners and when you are about to turn off of the center line, etc. If this is the case, the horse that you are riding may start to anticipate what you are planning on doing, and begin to cut corners or turn off the centerline early. Then, when you apply leg pressure to move your horse out, you are just confusing them because you are giving them contradicting aids (i.e. Asking them to turn and go strait at the same time). While a slight change in your upper body positioning (and head) is alright, I think that too much of a change MAY create problems for you and your horse off of a circle if you tend to turn your body off of the circle, also.
         
        01-14-2009, 12:29 AM
      #27
    Trained
    OK, just to clear some things up.
    First about the turning, think about it this way. If you have a small child on your shoulders and it turns to look at something and you aren't prepared for it, it's going to catch you off balance and you are going to have to try to re balance and keep the kid on your shoulders all without falling down. This is exactly what you're doing to your horse if you're turning your body to make a corner or circle. However if the child on your shoulder slightly nudges you in the direction they want to go or look, then you can make a balanced turn and stay on your own two feet really easily. So in short, to turn our horses all we need to do is tell them where we want to go and let them turn so that they can stay balanced. Keep your outside hand down, inside leg on at the girth and outside leg back with the entire outside leg on and then just turn your wrist for a flexion. Done.

    As for a half halt: It is really hard to explain the feel and timing required for a half halt over the internet. Basically it is the combination of bracing your back, applying leg and riding with the seat in order to shorten a horse's stride and bring their frame more up while shifting weight onto the haunches. For such a simple name, it is a very complicated aid and I highly recommend seeking a dressage coach to help you develop a feel and timing to correctly apply this aid.

    And GG, for an answer to your final question this is a really complicated thing to answer but as others have said horses are very sensitive. The first thing that we always need to worry about on a horse is staying balanced and "rooted" in the saddle. Think about the kid on your shoulders analogy and it should make more sense. If you want a bit more of an explanation (aka a novel) then just PM me.
         
        01-14-2009, 12:43 AM
      #28
    Started
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GyPsY GiRL    
    well when you turn ur head don't ur shoulders turn slightly?... not ur whole body just ur head a shoulders
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    First about the turning, think about it this way. If you have a small child on your shoulders and it turns to look at something and you aren't prepared for it, it's going to catch you off balance and you are going to have to try to re balance and keep the kid on your shoulders all without falling down.
    Gypsy, I don't turn my shoulders.

    Anebel, yes, you explained it very well!
         
        01-14-2009, 12:57 AM
      #29
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Joshie    
    Gypsy, I don't turn my shoulders.

    Anebel, yes, you explained it very well!
    Thanks! It's how one of my coaches explained it to me years ago and I've never forgotten!
         
        01-14-2009, 12:04 PM
      #30
    Foal
    I've always been taught to turn my head in the way you want to go but that may just be for jumping like when your jumping a fence you then on landing turn your head to the next fence so that you can see the direct path for the next fence and save time.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    OK, just to clear some things up.
    First about the turning, think about it this way. If you have a small child on your shoulders and it turns to look at something and you aren't prepared for it, it's going to catch you off balance and you are going to have to try to re balance and keep the kid on your shoulders all without falling down.

    As for a half halt: Basically it is the combination of bracing your back, applying leg and riding with the seat in order to shorten a horse's stride and bring their frame more up while shifting weight onto the haunches. For such a simple name, it is a very complicated aid and I highly recommend seeking a dressage coach to help you develop a feel and timing to correctly apply this aid.
    i agree with this it's perhaps better to just use leg aids to tell the horse where you want to go.

    And the half halts are very complicated best not to just read it from somewhere and try it better if you have it hands on with someone showing you.
         

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