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    02-20-2009, 09:07 PM
Originally Posted by MIEventer    
I think you and I are long lost sisters or something! LOL.

When can I move in with you? *flutters eye lashes*

OH! And when were you saying you were giving me your Clyde X TB? *flutters eye lashes more*
LOL I know the breeder...he's got two full siblings left for sale :)
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    02-20-2009, 11:56 PM
Originally Posted by MIEventer    
Very pretty girl with a gentle soul. She is trying most definitely. I want to point something out though if I may....

See how she has given into your hands? You must release with your inside rein the moment she does that. If you do not give with your inside rein....then you aren't letting her know she did something right. You aren't saying "Yes, that is what I want"

Also, she is popping that outside shoulder. Your outside rein, must keep that shoulder under herself. Your turning aids are also through your outside rein, not inside.

Pick up your hands * I have that issue as well* to aid her up and into you.

Remember, your position in the saddle and your aids, reflect into your horse.

Also - I am concerned about her hoof angles....and I will tell you why. She has long toes, no heel. More than likely, smooshed frogs as well.

All the pressure is being dispursed into her toes - which will impede her movement.

My TB just went through this. No matter how hard I tried to get him to move forward and track up - he wouldn't. Because he had too long of toes, no heels, compressed frogs. No blood flow. All that pressure was being put into his toes. He wouldn't trust his heels and every step he took hurt.

It took a highly quallified farrier to come out and fix it all. I've been off of his back for 6 months to correct this............the errors this other "farrier" did to him.

I am not a Farrier - not at all. But the angles of your mares hooves, look like how mine were. I had no idea...until everything was pointed out to me.
Thanks MIEventer. She really does try for me. I love her so much. I'm surprised you say that about her hooves, like you said, I've never thought of it at all. I don't know if you can see, but she has shoes on her front feet. Maybe she needs them on all fours?
    02-21-2009, 12:30 AM
It has nothing to do with shoes - it has to do with a farrier who is going to properly angle her feet in accordance to the length of her pasturns, her hip angles and shoulder angles.
    02-21-2009, 11:04 AM
My old gelding was awesome at demonstrating this!
REALLY false frame, this was taken when I first got him and he was ridden by his old owners in draw reins every day.

And getting better.
    02-21-2009, 07:11 PM
Thanks everyone for your pictures. I appreciate it!
    02-21-2009, 07:19 PM
Wow haha I still can't see the difference in any of the pictures! XD
    02-21-2009, 07:23 PM
Originally Posted by Equuestriaan    
Wow haha I still can't see the difference in any of the pictures! XD
A good thing to look for is ... are the back legs stretching out underneath the horse? Does the energy of the horse stem from the back or front? (True frame will always come from the back). Is the horse heavy on the forehand, with cramped legs? (False frame).
    02-22-2009, 03:24 PM
Originally Posted by Jubilee Rose    
Hi guys,

I've been really trying to be able to tell by looking at pictures of horses, whether or not they are being ridden "correctly." As in with true impulsion and truly "on the bit" through working their back end. Could someone post some pictures of a horse on the bit, versus in a "false frame"? Thanks so much!

^Here is one I think where the horse has a "false head frame" but is NOT tracking up underneath himself. I know its a western saddle but the principle is still the same.

^ Here is one where I think the horse is working underneath himself in a true frame.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. And share any other examples you may have. Thanks guys!
Good job! Yes the western horse is being held in his position and is moving on his forehand. Where is the dressage horse is in a more correct position moving from behind. Itís hard to tell from photos but you chose some good examples.
    02-22-2009, 05:34 PM
Originally Posted by Equuestriaan    
Wow haha I still can't see the difference in any of the pictures! XD
I'm with you. I am trying, but it's difficult for someone not used to looking for it. I will be sure to look more often now.
    02-22-2009, 06:24 PM
I can't tell...

True or false?

I think true, but I'm really not confident in that answer, not me riding by the way, but it is my pony.

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