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        02-22-2009, 06:06 PM
    Let me guess.....false. I say it just because I feel it. They both seem stiff. But I really have no idea.
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        02-22-2009, 06:39 PM
    I would say that the rider should be riding with more forward movement and impulsion. I would not say it is totally false because the pony looks good. But, if you will notice the pony is moving a bit more on the forehand then from behind. If the pony was moving from behind the haunches would be more tucked, with a more rounded back (I'm guessing she would have a longer stride if she was moving more forward because her shoulder angle is really nice. Hard to tell about her hip though, from that pic). She looks good though and is really CUTE!!
        02-22-2009, 07:02 PM
    I learn so much here
        02-22-2009, 07:46 PM
    False frame -

    1) Rider is not carrying nor supportive through her shoulders, to elbows to hands. Hands are carried to low, and rider is forcing a "head set"

    2) Riders weight is on horses forehand, not aiding her horse to get back onto his haunches

    3) Riders leg is not lifting the ribs, the back is hollowed out. Not rounded

    4) Riders seat is not effective, upper body, way ahead of the verticle, tossing weight on horses forehand, not balanced over horses center of gravity.

    5) Hind end is carried high.

    Rider really needs to not perch while riding - needs to rock back and become more efficiant in the saddle, while being supportive and lifting.

    Not aiding pony at all.
        02-22-2009, 09:20 PM
    Thanks, I think I understand this a little better now.

    She looks good though and is really CUTE!!
    Hehe, he's a keeper, and a sweety, if not a little tubby this winter. But... they all get a little tubby in the winter.
        02-22-2009, 09:34 PM
    Oh gosh, tell me about it. My TB is way out of shape, fo sho.
        02-22-2009, 10:00 PM
    Ugh. I feel blind
        02-22-2009, 10:04 PM
    Its soo much harder to keep them in shape in the winter!

    At least my boy's not as fat as my friend's gelding got one winter and she was faced with the question:

    "Aww when's she due?"
        02-22-2009, 10:08 PM
    Originally Posted by Spastic_Dove    
    ugh. I feel blind

    Don't be. Eventer dressage people often don't see the same as a pure dressage person and you can get confused when one of each looks at the same picture and sees things in a different light.
        02-22-2009, 10:12 PM
    I always always always look at the riders hands first. If the riders hands are incorrect, the horse will NEVER have a correct frame. If the riders hands are correct the horse MAY have a correct frame. If the rider has correct hands and is riding effectively the horse SHOULD have a correct frame.

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