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post #41 of 57 Old 03-07-2009, 09:54 AM
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Okay so I definitely need a lot of work, and I know the picture angle is funny but I wanted to know whether you think we've got a true frame here or a false frame?


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post #42 of 57 Old 03-07-2009, 10:29 AM
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To me it looks like he is tense, stiff and on the muscle. I think that if the flash wasn't keeping his mouth shut, he'd be showing signs through his mouth as well.

I think it is false.

Is he light in your hands? Or heavy?
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Looks like the horse is braced against the bit.
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To me it looks like he is tense, stiff and on the muscle. I think that if the flash wasn't keeping his mouth shut, he'd be showing signs through his mouth as well.

I think it is false.

Is he light in your hands? Or heavy?
He's pretty light in my hands actually.
I also was thinking it was false. The picture is just from the trial ride I had on him. Once we trailer him down here I'm going to be taking dressage lessons on him and really work on riding from my seat and not my hands. It's something I need to improve upon. And he didn't do much bracing against the bit during the ride, hmm. Might have been a badly timed picture. He's very forward and light so I think the picture is misleading a bit, although I still believe it's a false frame. Wish I had a video.

These are from the next day and the second time i've ever ridden him.
Not the best pictures but they're all I have.




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His back is dropped, and his hind end is carried high.

You really need to work inside leg into outside rein- and have proper hand carraige with a correct elbow angle.

There is no roundness to his body at all.

He is on the forehand and you are not aiding him at all through your seat, legs and hands.

I understand you are on a trail ride - but he is in a flase frame. I think he's been taught a headset by his previous owner - I can see it in the thread you started about him, the shot of her riding him..........so he has learnt this through his other owner.

I'd like to see him without the flash.
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Better but not there yet.
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Thanks for explaining. :]
I'll take more pictures after we've been taking lessons for awhile and see if there's an improvement.

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Thanks for explaining. :]
I'll take more pictures after we've been taking lessons for awhile and see if there's an improvement.
Just out of curiosity - why such a harsh bit? You'll have a much harder time having a horse learn to accept contact and work front to back with a running gag like that in his mouth. From the looks of it, that coupled with the fig-8 is the culprit for the hollow back, false frame, and false light feeling in your hands.

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Is this even close to a true frame? I know there's a lot of work left, but is he completely off or is he on the right path? Ignore the bolt, this is the most trot woork I have on video
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Is this even close to a true frame? I know there's a lot of work left, but is he completely off or is he on the right path? Ignore the bolt, this is the most trot woork I have on video
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No. I watched the video and the one thing I saw which stood out was the outside shoulder when you were doing your circles. You didn't really have control of the front end and that the outside shoulder was "popped" and drifting outward.

You were using too much inside rein resulting in the shoulder going to the outside and you ended up just turning the nose and not the whole horse. The neck was being bent to the inside sure enough but but the rest of the body was not really following the curve. You cannot get a true or correct frame this way. What you needed was less use of the inside rein and a stronger outside rein and more outside leg to get the turns accomplished.

Try practicing that and even the bolts can be minimized.
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