false frame vs. true frame (please share pictures!) - Page 6 - The Horse Forum
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #51 of 57 Old 03-11-2009, 11:39 AM
Started
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,076
• Horses: 1
Okay, thanks I'll try to get a better video, I know these circles were bad (I wasn't working on the circles, if you listen, my trainers having me turn him hard to get his attention) I'll try to get ones of him being good and see if he's at least a bit better
1dog3cats17rodents is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #52 of 57 Old 03-11-2009, 07:56 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Eventing Country
Posts: 8,220
• Horses: 0
Quote:
No. I watched the video and the one thing I saw which stood out was the outside shoulder when you were doing your circles. You didn't really have control of the front end and that the outside shoulder was "popped" and drifting outward.

You were using too much inside rein resulting in the shoulder going to the outside and you ended up just turning the nose and not the whole horse. The neck was being bent to the inside sure enough but but the rest of the body was not really following the curve. You cannot get a true or correct frame this way. What you needed was less use of the inside rein and a stronger outside rein and more outside leg to get the turns accomplished.

Try practicing that and even the bolts can be minimized.
Agree'd.

So many people overuse the inside rein - thinking that it has allot of function, when in reality it does not.

So much comes from the outside rein. Circles, turns, bends, side passing, etc, etc, etc.

Inside Leg into Outside Rein.

I was able to attend a clinic last summer that a Prix Saint George Competator named Sarah Hughes taught. She was able to get on a clinitians horse, a horse she never knew - and rode with the inside rein dropped.

She did 20 meter circles, she did serpentines and half passes, turn on the haunches, all with the outside rein and her inside leg. I am sure her outside leg was there and seat bones, but I was so caught up in her outside rein, I never noticed much else.

She was prooving a point to the rider she was teaching at that time, that the inside rein has very little use.

Loved it! It was great to watch and learn from.
MIEventer is offline  
post #53 of 57 Old 03-11-2009, 07:59 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Eventing Country
Posts: 8,220
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Just out of curiosity - why such a harsh bit? You'll have a much harder time having a horse learn to accept contact and work front to back with a running gag like that in his mouth. From the looks of it, that coupled with the fig-8 is the culprit for the hollow back, false frame, and false light feeling in your hands.

Good eye CJ82Sky - never even saw the Gag Bit!!!

I used a Gag Bit - once.................never will again *ahem* I rode in a clinic taught by a Rolex Eventer and Olympic Rider. I signed up for her Novice Level Class.

When she did our tack check, she saw the bit...and boy did she tell me what. I was using a Single Jointed, Egg Butt Gag Bit. I sure learnt my lesson and immediately went back to the barn and did a bridle change with a D Ring Snaffle.

That thing hasn't even left my tack box since that day.
MIEventer is offline  
post #54 of 57 Old 03-11-2009, 09:34 PM
Started
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Colesville, NJ
Posts: 1,729
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by MIEventer View Post
Good eye CJ82Sky - never even saw the Gag Bit!!!

I used a Gag Bit - once.................never will again *ahem* I rode in a clinic taught by a Rolex Eventer and Olympic Rider. I signed up for her Novice Level Class.

When she did our tack check, she saw the bit...and boy did she tell me what. I was using a Single Jointed, Egg Butt Gag Bit. I sure learnt my lesson and immediately went back to the barn and did a bridle change with a D Ring Snaffle.

That thing hasn't even left my tack box since that day.
LOL I use a 2 ring elevator for my Clyde cross for field hunting and XC. It's a happy mouth and he loves it (we flat and do jumpers in a loose ring happy mouth). We use it b/c we found out the hard way that he gets a little excited and at nearly 17.3 we forget we have a rider....haha! But it's a very limited gag in that it's the small 2 ring, not a running gag (ACK!). I'm not against a 2 or 3 ring elevator in the right hands for the right horse but it's also not an all the time bit and only for the right horse in the right hands.....

Life Without a Paddle...a blog about life out here, and great for a laugh!
TLC Stables & East/West Arabians
www.ewa-tlcstables.com
Are you getting the most out of your horse?
Equi-Eval.com
CJ82Sky is offline  
post #55 of 57 Old 03-12-2009, 12:35 AM
Started
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 2,227
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by CJ82Sky View Post
Just out of curiosity - why such a harsh bit? You'll have a much harder time having a horse learn to accept contact and work front to back with a running gag like that in his mouth. From the looks of it, that coupled with the fig-8 is the culprit for the hollow back, false frame, and false light feeling in your hands.
He's actually going nicely in a rubber d snaffle now and is doing great. I'm going to go try him again in that bit before any final decision. She only had that bit with her at the time, she used to use it when they were showjumping. He's a really powerful horse and she is very petite and has pretty much no upper body strength. He won't be using a bit like that with me though.

I give myself very good advice, But I very seldom follow it
Gillian is offline  
post #56 of 57 Old 03-12-2009, 11:29 AM
Trained
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Eventing Country
Posts: 8,220
• Horses: 0
Quote:
LOL I use a 2 ring elevator for my Clyde cross for field hunting and XC. It's a happy mouth and he loves it (we flat and do jumpers in a loose ring happy mouth). We use it b/c we found out the hard way that he gets a little excited and at nearly 17.3 we forget we have a rider....haha! But it's a very limited gag in that it's the small 2 ring, not a running gag (ACK!). I'm not against a 2 or 3 ring elevator in the right hands for the right horse but it's also not an all the time bit and only for the right horse in the right hands.....
I never knew any better at the time. The horse I used was my Husbands, and that is the bit he used when hacking and doing CC and Fox Hunting - so that is the bit I was told to use.

Never even knew any better.

So I tack up excitedly and go to the indoor arena where the clinic was being taught - and within 5 mintues, I was back in the barn changing the bridle. LOL.

Now I cannot remember exactly how she worded it, it was 3 years ago..but it was something like a rider compeating at low levels, such as myself at Novice - should not have to use a bit like that for a level of control. She said that if I had to use that gag for a level of control now, she fears where my level of control would be when we progress to higher levels. If I don't have it now, I definitely wont have it later.

She also said, a rider has no business being out on the cc course at low levels in a bit like that, but instead should be back in the sand box working on basics and filling the holes that lack in our training.

Sooo - I tucked my tail between my legs, and scimpered back to the barn. LOL.

She made allot of sense.

Then, a couple of months later, Bill Hoos came to teach. That time, I was in a simple snaffle. HA HA I SAID!!! I'll be one step ahead.

After my ride, I went and watched the Training Level Riders - each and every single one of them were in 3 Ring Elevators.

What did Bill Hoos have to say about it - same thing. He shook his head and asked "is it some sort of fad to have a 3 ring on cc now?"

He stressed to the riders pretty much what was stressed to me.
MIEventer is offline  
post #57 of 57 Old 03-21-2009, 05:34 PM
Weanling
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 403
• Horses: 0
False Frame...



He pulled his head down to swat a bug.
Picture Perfect is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
True or False ImaFlashyBit Games 3070 03-22-2011 04:25 PM
Wanted to share some pictures BrokenSpur Gaited Horses 9 02-22-2009 06:29 PM
Share pictures of your show ribbons lizzie_magic Horse Shows 17 01-10-2009 10:51 AM
custom cutting frame mats.... Angel_Leaguer General Off Topic Discussion 5 12-09-2008 09:47 AM
Getting the "long and low" frame????? Bucky's Buddy Horse Training 18 02-02-2008 09:07 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome