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        03-11-2009, 11:39 AM
      #51
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    Okay, thanks I'll try to get a better video, I know these circles were bad (I wasn't working on the circles, if you listen, my trainers having me turn him hard to get his attention) I'll try to get ones of him being good and see if he's at least a bit better
         
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        03-11-2009, 07:56 PM
      #52
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    No. I watched the video and the one thing I saw which stood out was the outside shoulder when you were doing your circles. You didn't really have control of the front end and that the outside shoulder was "popped" and drifting outward.

    You were using too much inside rein resulting in the shoulder going to the outside and you ended up just turning the nose and not the whole horse. The neck was being bent to the inside sure enough but but the rest of the body was not really following the curve. You cannot get a true or correct frame this way. What you needed was less use of the inside rein and a stronger outside rein and more outside leg to get the turns accomplished.

    Try practicing that and even the bolts can be minimized.
    Agree'd.

    So many people overuse the inside rein - thinking that it has allot of function, when in reality it does not.

    So much comes from the outside rein. Circles, turns, bends, side passing, etc, etc, etc.

    Inside Leg into Outside Rein.

    I was able to attend a clinic last summer that a Prix Saint George Competator named Sarah Hughes taught. She was able to get on a clinitians horse, a horse she never knew - and rode with the inside rein dropped.

    She did 20 meter circles, she did serpentines and half passes, turn on the haunches, all with the outside rein and her inside leg. I am sure her outside leg was there and seat bones, but I was so caught up in her outside rein, I never noticed much else.

    She was prooving a point to the rider she was teaching at that time, that the inside rein has very little use.

    Loved it! It was great to watch and learn from.
         
        03-11-2009, 07:59 PM
      #53
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    Just out of curiosity - why such a harsh bit? You'll have a much harder time having a horse learn to accept contact and work front to back with a running gag like that in his mouth. From the looks of it, that coupled with the fig-8 is the culprit for the hollow back, false frame, and false light feeling in your hands.

    Good eye CJ82Sky - never even saw the Gag Bit!!!

    I used a Gag Bit - once.................never will again *ahem* I rode in a clinic taught by a Rolex Eventer and Olympic Rider. I signed up for her Novice Level Class.

    When she did our tack check, she saw the bit...and boy did she tell me what. I was using a Single Jointed, Egg Butt Gag Bit. I sure learnt my lesson and immediately went back to the barn and did a bridle change with a D Ring Snaffle.

    That thing hasn't even left my tack box since that day.
         
        03-11-2009, 09:34 PM
      #54
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    Originally Posted by MIEventer    
    Good eye CJ82Sky - never even saw the Gag Bit!!!

    I used a Gag Bit - once.................never will again *ahem* I rode in a clinic taught by a Rolex Eventer and Olympic Rider. I signed up for her Novice Level Class.

    When she did our tack check, she saw the bit...and boy did she tell me what. I was using a Single Jointed, Egg Butt Gag Bit. I sure learnt my lesson and immediately went back to the barn and did a bridle change with a D Ring Snaffle.

    That thing hasn't even left my tack box since that day.
    LOL I use a 2 ring elevator for my Clyde cross for field hunting and XC. It's a happy mouth and he loves it (we flat and do jumpers in a loose ring happy mouth). We use it b/c we found out the hard way that he gets a little excited and at nearly 17.3 we forget we have a rider....haha! But it's a very limited gag in that it's the small 2 ring, not a running gag (ACK!). I'm not against a 2 or 3 ring elevator in the right hands for the right horse but it's also not an all the time bit and only for the right horse in the right hands.....
         
        03-12-2009, 12:35 AM
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    Originally Posted by CJ82Sky    
    Just out of curiosity - why such a harsh bit? You'll have a much harder time having a horse learn to accept contact and work front to back with a running gag like that in his mouth. From the looks of it, that coupled with the fig-8 is the culprit for the hollow back, false frame, and false light feeling in your hands.
    He's actually going nicely in a rubber d snaffle now and is doing great. I'm going to go try him again in that bit before any final decision. She only had that bit with her at the time, she used to use it when they were showjumping. He's a really powerful horse and she is very petite and has pretty much no upper body strength. He won't be using a bit like that with me though.
         
        03-12-2009, 11:29 AM
      #56
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    LOL I use a 2 ring elevator for my Clyde cross for field hunting and XC. It's a happy mouth and he loves it (we flat and do jumpers in a loose ring happy mouth). We use it b/c we found out the hard way that he gets a little excited and at nearly 17.3 we forget we have a rider....haha! But it's a very limited gag in that it's the small 2 ring, not a running gag (ACK!). I'm not against a 2 or 3 ring elevator in the right hands for the right horse but it's also not an all the time bit and only for the right horse in the right hands.....
    I never knew any better at the time. The horse I used was my Husbands, and that is the bit he used when hacking and doing CC and Fox Hunting - so that is the bit I was told to use.

    Never even knew any better.

    So I tack up excitedly and go to the indoor arena where the clinic was being taught - and within 5 mintues, I was back in the barn changing the bridle. LOL.

    Now I cannot remember exactly how she worded it, it was 3 years ago..but it was something like a rider compeating at low levels, such as myself at Novice - should not have to use a bit like that for a level of control. She said that if I had to use that gag for a level of control now, she fears where my level of control would be when we progress to higher levels. If I don't have it now, I definitely wont have it later.

    She also said, a rider has no business being out on the cc course at low levels in a bit like that, but instead should be back in the sand box working on basics and filling the holes that lack in our training.

    Sooo - I tucked my tail between my legs, and scimpered back to the barn. LOL.

    She made allot of sense.

    Then, a couple of months later, Bill Hoos came to teach. That time, I was in a simple snaffle. HA HA I SAID!!! I'll be one step ahead.

    After my ride, I went and watched the Training Level Riders - each and every single one of them were in 3 Ring Elevators.

    What did Bill Hoos have to say about it - same thing. He shook his head and asked "is it some sort of fad to have a 3 ring on cc now?"

    He stressed to the riders pretty much what was stressed to me.
         
        03-21-2009, 05:34 PM
      #57
    Weanling
    False Frame...



    He pulled his head down to swat a bug.
         

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