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    09-22-2009, 11:47 AM
PS Your Morgan horse - The Morgan was said to be a Welsh Cob - or so the bouyos from Wales would have you believe. Indeed from the photos
He could be an old fashioned Welshie who incidentally are bred to ride and drive.

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    09-22-2009, 12:05 PM
"But beware we Brits see the saddle as a lot more important than I get the impression is the situation in the US. Here, you buy the horse, then the fitter comes to select and fit the saddle. The saddle is chosen by
cut ( ie GP, Jumping, dressage) 'length' ie 17 inch ( relevant to the rider's butt) and the length of the horse's back then 'width' - ie the shape of the horse back behind the wither. Sizes start as Standard, wide, extra wide, cob, etc ete
The saddle especially for dressage is the key item of tack and the proper fitting saddle puts the rider in the correct position for dressage riding."

Going to have to disagree with you there, Barry. I don't think the situation in the US is ANY different from what you described, at least not in the circles I hung out in. People obsessed over their saddle fit and half my barn had the phone numbers of the local saddlers memorized. I got to know mine all too well, which was why I gave up on the whole traditional tree saddle thing and bought the Orthoflex described above.
    09-22-2009, 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by Barry Godden    
PS Your Morgan horse - The Morgan was said to be a Welsh Cob - or so the bouyos from Wales would have you believe. Indeed from the photos
He could be an old fashioned Welshie who incidentally are bred to ride and drive.

The only photos I have up on this site are of Scout. My part Morgan sadly passed this spring, at approxamately 20 years young. Here are some pics of Johnny from summer '08.

Sorry about the sizes, I think my computer hates me today.

Johnny wasn't a tremendous show horse, but he loved trail riding, and was a brilliant halter pony. We crammed a lot of fun into 5 years...

I'm pretty sure Scout is mostly QH, but he has enough "poofy" hair and pony bent to his size and build that I would not be at all surprised to find some Welshie in his background. I have had others say that he looks Morgan as well. I'm a sucker for these large pony breeds and crosses!

Thanks so much for the additional info on the saddle! I'm definitely in the "window shopping" stage.

By and large, saddle fit is taken pretty seriously in the U.S. Granted, in my particular area of Hillbilly Heaven, there are some exceptions (and a distinct lack of professional fitters), but most riders are at least aware of the warning signs of a grossly improper fit. Sadly, there are a lot of "pad happy" people over here, who think that even a well fitting saddle can be made better with 3 numnahs, a western pad, and a gel cushion.
    09-22-2009, 05:18 PM
What a kind eye your fellow has.

And that butt - some power in there, that's for sure.

We miss em when the have gone but they are not forgotten.

    09-22-2009, 05:21 PM
You are getting me confused - your profile says you are a Scottish lassie.

Or have you lost your Scots accent now?

Barry G
    09-22-2009, 08:21 PM
I live in Scotland but I am originally from the US. Have been here nearly three years as one of those surly expats. :)
    09-23-2009, 03:37 PM
Originally Posted by Barry Godden    
We miss em when the have gone but they are not forgotten.
Amen. Thank you.
    09-26-2009, 05:12 PM
Hi Barry, its kelly! I found you! Hi also to the rest of the forum.

I agree with barry about the Saddle fitting here in the uk, its a BIG thing, and for not having a correctly fitted saddle the owner is classed as ignorant as it can cause the horse a lot of undue pain and stress.

I myself ride in a barefoot treeless saddle, over here (uk) its classed as semi- western, I guess that in the US is would be classed as semi-english! The reason I chose this saddle was easy, every time I put a saddle on my welsh sec D (even though they were properly fitted by a master saddler) he would go lame within 20 mins of riding him, he was in that much pain. I went through 4 new saddles, having them with an air cussion panels, flexi-panels, interchangable gullet name it I tried it, to no avail and a lot of expence! Then a friend let me try her bare foot as she was about to sell it as she couldnt get on with it on her arab.

It was amazing! For the first time in a long time he wasnt lame! He was even frisky being be able to 'feel' through his back for the first time. For me, at first, it was a pain in the bum. Iv trained classically with the BHS for a long time and riding on a saddle with no tree, no knee or thigh rolls, and a pommel and cantle that you can remove was so alien! I thought I would die in that was that bad. Now I would never put a horse I owned in anything but a treeless saddle. After riding in it for 5 years its amazing how it has made a difference to my riding and to the way I think of 'classical riding'.

I can now get on almost any saddle and have instant security and good posture in the saddle. You see the treeless I own is like riding bareback, you are in that close contact to the horse. And because of this it makes riding in both english and western saddles a doddle as both types feel like sitting in an arm chair!

I don't think you can knock either western or english long as they are fitted correctly. But I dare you to try a truley treeless saddle like the barefoot...youll never go back!

Bellybaby x
    09-26-2009, 11:39 PM
If I had a choice, I'd go english everytime. I learned in english. I still ride and show western occasionally, but english is my favorite.
    10-02-2009, 12:07 PM
Someone has shown me the video of Stacey Westfall - riding without saddle, reins or bit. I am a bit in awe.

Of all the horses I have ridden, I can't think of one which I would have been happy to sit on without brakes at all.

I am just still trying to work out whether she was riding English or Western. Whatever style it was I wish I could do it. I wish even more that I had a horse I could do it with.

Talk about minimal interference between the rider and the horse, there is only one way she could get any closer and if she did that then she might catch cold.

Barry G

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