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        01-17-2009, 12:11 AM
      #11
    Weanling
    The flash was invented as kind of a replacement for the drop noseband, and it has now become a fad, it doesnt work as well as a drop noseband, and is easily over tightened, and can restrict the hroses breathing.
         
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        01-18-2009, 01:30 PM
      #12
    Started
    I've used one before on the horse I used to lease, and it was just to help with control. I was able to have softer hands and cue my horse that way instead of having to have stronger hands and pulling at his mouth to get him to keep steady. We never kept it tight at all, it was always quite loose, and really just a reminder for him, so I really don't see a problem with it when it's used that way.
    :]
         
        01-18-2009, 02:21 PM
      #13
    Yearling
    Misty had one, but she didn't need it and it was so loose you could pull it off her chin easily, so I took it off It was a bugger to clean too, lol
         
        01-18-2009, 08:27 PM
      #14
    Trained
    O_o
    I hate to tell you but you're all basically wrong. The actual purpose of a flash nose band is to quiet the jingling of a loose ring snaffle.
    Some trainers incorrectly over tighten them to shut the horse's mouth. But this is wrong. I use a cavesson with flash on my horse because I ride him in a loose ring snaffle. The flash keeps the bit quiet so that when I DO aid my horse he feels it really clearly and so all I need to do to ask for flexion is move 1 finger.
    Again, just because there are a few bad apples that use tack incorrectly doesn't mean that the orchard is all rotten.
    The nose band that WAS invented to shut a horse's face is the figure 8 nose band.
         
        01-19-2009, 09:44 AM
      #15
    Yearling
    I don't see much wrong with using one, unless you are using it wrong. I just bought one for my horse and I like it a lot ... it is quite loose, I say I can fit a good 2, 3 fingers in there and it helps a lot with keeping my horse on the bit. She can still breathe , and I don't have it clamped down around her nose.

    Not everyone uses it wrong, just like many things, there are a couple people that use it wrong and quite a few that use it correctly
         
        01-19-2009, 05:08 PM
      #16
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by XxXequinegrlXxX    
    i don't see much wrong with using one, unless you are using it wrong. I just bought one for my horse and I like it a lot ... it is quite loose, I say I can fit a good 2, 3 fingers in there and it helps a lot with keeping my horse on the bit. She can still breathe , and I don't have it clamped down around her nose.

    Not everyone uses it wrong, just like many things, there are a couple people that use it wrong and quite a few that use it correctly
    Exactly! Thank you :)
         
        01-19-2009, 08:04 PM
      #17
    Yearling
    Your welcome :)
         
        01-19-2009, 08:50 PM
      #18
    Started
    I agree with anebel. It was invented to stablilize the bit in the mouth because normally people use drop nosebands to achieve this, BUT you can't use a standing martingale with a drop noseband. So they needed an attachment from the a regular noseband (that a standing martingale can be attached to) that works the same way as a drop.

    People can go crazy and over tighten flashes, which can impede the horses breathing... but if used correctly then there is no harm done. I use one on my horses since he goes in a loose ring and likes to play with his bit a little too much, the flash keeps him focused. He also likes to get on his forehand when we're cantering, despite my efforts to keep his hind end engaged. And when he does this he kind of hangs on the bit with his mouth opened a little, so the flash gives the added advantage of him not being able to lug down on the reins as much, even though it's not that tight :]
         
        01-28-2009, 02:39 PM
      #19
    Foal
    I prefer just plain hunter nosebands but I don't see much harm in flash nosebands if i'm honest because the horse should have it's mouth closed anyway but if it doesn't and you're not doing any serious competition with it then I don't see the point in 'strapping its mouth shut' if you don't need to.
    They are also allowed in any level of dressage by the way.
         
        01-28-2009, 06:22 PM
      #20
    Trained
    I have both a flash and figure 8 noseband, as well as the normal noseband.

    I had orginally gotten the figure 8 when I was jumping Vega as it allows the nostrils to open all the way. The part that would shut her mouth, was quite loose. All it took to get it off was her rubbing her head on her leg.

    I then got a flash attachment just to see the difference. I always had it loose enough that it could slide off if the horse rubbed it (it may not be the correct way to have it, but I rather have it on the looser side)

    I did only use those nosebands with Vega and none of my other horses. Though in the spring I may try the figure 8 on Montana when we start jumping, for no other reason than to look pretty.
         

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