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    01-01-2012, 02:46 PM
  #21
Foal
If you do a figure of eight, and at X trot one or two strides, then pick up canter on the other lead, they learn quite quickly doing that
     
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    01-01-2012, 09:06 PM
  #22
Trained
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Originally Posted by Spyder    
Shifting the hindquarters so that the horse is in crooked position ( haunches leading) is not what I would recommend.

Although if you are in a local show you probably would not be penalized.

Any attempt to try multiple changes will end up a disaster though so as long as you have no intention of any further training in this area you probably will get away with it.
what do you mean by hips leading ?

I was not talking about doing a lead change, I was talking about what you need to do in preparation for a lead change, as in what your horse should know.
     
    01-01-2012, 09:20 PM
  #23
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
what do you mean by hips leading ?

I was not talking about doing a lead change, I was talking about what you need to do in preparation for a lead change, as in what your horse should know.

None of what you do is necessary.

You are attempting to make the hips of the horse ready to receive aids to facilitate the flying change...but it is not what is required.

What you are attempting to do is make the horse crooked to achieve the change.

Maybe this is what you were taught from the same teacher that said to pull on the reins to stop the horse, but a GOOD trainer would never want a crooked horse.
     
    01-01-2012, 09:41 PM
  #24
Trained
If you can't control the front, middle, and back of the horse you can't get a flying lead change. Period. A lot of people try to just ride the front or throw their weight over the get the change - this is not correct. You should not make your horses hips move over when you ask for the change, but you need to have control of the hip and that's why you practice being able to move them. If you can move them back and forth you can also move them to be straight and get a correct change. Sorry if I didnt explain that well enough in the first place.

I will not make any further reply to your judgements on my trainers.
     
    01-01-2012, 10:05 PM
  #25
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
if you can't control the front, middle, and back of the horse you can't get a flying lead change. Period.
If you don't have control of of your horse in its entirety, you shouldn't be doing flying changes.


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a lot of people try to just ride the front or throw their weight over the get the change - this is not correct. You should not make your horses hips move over when you ask for the change,
True enough. So loosening the hips up should not be required as any sort of preparation.


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but you need to have control of the hip and that's why you practice being able to move them.
Since the only hip movement" done is the riders ( not the horse) this maneuver becomes unnecessary.


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if you can move them back and forth you can also move them to be straight and get a correct change. Sorry if I didnt explain that well enough in the first place.
The only reason you may want to do some sort of movement like a travers, renvers would be for suppling but the NEED to do either of these movements are not necessary if you have the horse going forward and straight.


What you do need to control is the placement of the hind leg so the horse can switch the lead by causing the former inside leg to land sooner and carry more weight and the former outside travel longer and carry a lighter load...while the horse is straight and with no swing of the haunches.


I personally recommend having the horse able to carry a decent canter and COUNTER canter before trying the flying change.
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    01-01-2012, 10:17 PM
  #26
Trained
Spyder, I feel like you are just disagreeing with everything I say just to disagree. I did not mean or mean to imply that this is the only key to flying lead changes. I agree that the horse should have a good counter canter on a 10m circle before they do flying changes. I also agree that they need to be straight for the change and no swinging the hips.
     
    01-01-2012, 10:36 PM
  #27
Trained
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
spyder, I feel like you are just disagreeing with everything I say just to disagree. I did not mean or mean to imply that this is the only key to flying lead changes. I agree that the horse should have a good counter canter on a 10m circle before they do flying changes. I also agree that they need to be straight for the change and no swinging the hips.
Pretty sure that Spyder knows what she is talking about, she has competed at a fairly high level

As far as objections, there is a reason that the flying change is not called for until such a high level. There is no way that a horse schooling low level is ready physically to execute a correct change, and therefore it is not fair of us, as the horse's partner, to ask it of them if they cannot do it correctly.
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    01-01-2012, 10:46 PM
  #28
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
i agree that the horse should have a good counter canter on a 10m circle before they do flying changes..
I absolutely would NOT expect the horse to be able to do counter canters on a 10 meter circle. That expectation would be too high....just a decent counter canter in a straight line.
     
    01-01-2012, 11:49 PM
  #29
Foal
Ok thanks
     
    01-02-2012, 08:05 PM
  #30
Trained
Sorry chilla, but you don't know what level I have competed at, and just because you think spyder is more experienced, does not mean I don't have something to contribute. There is never only one way to do things and every rider and horse are different. I personally would not do flying changes on a horse that couldnt counter canter a 10m half circle, but that's just me.

Spyder I really don't understand why you have to keep disagreeing with me after I basically told you I agree with what you were saying....
     

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