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    02-28-2013, 03:17 AM
  #11
Trained
Over reaching, yes farriery can help. Forging is not so easy.
The horse has to be ridden uphill and develop the strength that he can move that way all the time. Lots of horses will forge at some point in the training. It would be worth it to take a few lessons or a clinic with a good dressage coach.

Good luck!
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    02-28-2013, 05:01 PM
  #12
Weanling
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
Over reaching, yes farriery can help. Forging is not so easy.
The horse has to be ridden uphill and develop the strength that he can move that way all the time. Lots of horses will forge at some point in the training. It would be worth it to take a few lessons or a clinic with a good dressage coach.

Good luck!
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Yeah, he is finding using his back and his hind quarters really hard - he *can* do it, but takes a lot of convincing! Fingers crossed then as he strengthens up and becomes more consistent this will improve. Will look into the lessons.

I have spoken to my farrier, who has said he will take a good look at his feet next time he sees him and see what he can do to help him out, but that he isn't sure that trimming will make much difference knowing how he's trimmed his feet previously. So fingers crossed but we'll see.

Also a query: what is the actual difference between over-reaching and forging?
     
    02-28-2013, 05:13 PM
  #13
Trained
Waiting for Anabel's answer, I am ignorant here as I thought when the horse overreached, it was forging.
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    02-28-2013, 05:22 PM
  #14
Weanling
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Originally Posted by waresbear    
Waiting for Anabel's answer, I am ignorant here as I thought when the horse overreached, it was forging.
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I assumed he was over-reaching until my instructor told me otherwise - she told me to lose my over-reach boots too as they wouldn't make a difference. I had never heard of forging before she told me that was what he was doing. Hence why I asked about it here!! Would love to know.
     
    02-28-2013, 05:30 PM
  #15
Showing
I think (NOT 100% sure, but I think) over-reaching is what it's called at the walk when the horse basically clips the bottom of his front foot with the toe of the hind foot, making a "clicking" sound from where the shoes hit. I think they change it to forging when it's also happens at the faster gaits and the horse has a tendency to hit his hind toe above the shoe level on the front foot, often pulling shoes or causing injuries on the heel bulbs and sometimes even the pasterns of the front feet.
     
    02-28-2013, 06:06 PM
  #16
Trained
Nope, overreaching is when the horse reaches over the front foot. This is how shoes are pulled, how they get nasty cuts on their heel bulbs etc.
Forging is when the horse's back foot smacks into the front foot on the way up. The front end doesn't get out of the way of the back end fast enough.
With overreaching the horse will have physical injury, of you might hear a tinking sound. With forging you will hear the "WHACK" sound of the back shoe hitting the front shoe.
Here's a picture of forging, there's no good ones of over reaching on Google.
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    02-28-2013, 06:07 PM
  #17
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Forging is when the horse strikes the sole of his front foot with the hind toe
Over reaching is when the horse strikes the front heel with its hind toe - often causes actual injury
Both might be a lack of balance problem so could improve as he gets stronger, could be that he still tends to work more on his forehand and will improve as he builds up muscle in his back end
Very short back ratio to very long legs conformation might be a permanent issue.
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    02-28-2013, 06:30 PM
  #18
Weanling
Thanks very much for clarifying that. Yeah, there hasn't been any injury to front heels at all or any shoes pulled/loose, and I'm hearing that proper 'whack' sound, that combined with what my instructor said I'm thinking he's forging rather than over-reaching.... however he didn't do it on the lunge tonight at all so I couldn't see for myself. Thanks for all the info/suggestions, will make a few changes and see where we get!
     
    02-28-2013, 06:47 PM
  #19
Trained
Okay, totally understand the difference now.
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    02-28-2013, 08:17 PM
  #20
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Originally Posted by minstrel    
Thanks very much for clarifying that. Yeah, there hasn't been any injury to front heels at all or any shoes pulled/loose, and I'm hearing that proper 'whack' sound, that combined with what my instructor said I'm thinking he's forging rather than over-reaching.... however he didn't do it on the lunge tonight at all so I couldn't see for myself. Thanks for all the info/suggestions, will make a few changes and see where we get!
Good luck with him - I used to see this quite a lot in the tall youngsters as they were still sort of growing into their front end and into themselves if you get what I mean, they are like awkward gangly teenagers for what seems like ages
He's such a lovely horse - and he's called Geoff too what could be better than that!!!
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