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    08-14-2009, 10:15 AM
  #21
Foal
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I would never clinic with him, because I wouldn't meet his "Standards" of looks. I was priveledged enough to watch a clinic he was teaching, at a large Hunter/Jumper barn. One of the riders was overweight, not much - but enough to notice.

He made some rude comments towards her, infront of everyone with his mic on so all could hear.

He is very - unguarded with what he says to those around him, if they don't meet his ideals of looks, appearance.

I don't agree with that. These people spend ****ed good money to learn from him, and so what if a rider has a bit of a belly - they didn't come to get a body size critique from him, they came to learn valuable information about the sport they both love so much.

Who cares if a rider is in non traditional brown leather tack - so what if they choose to use black. And? What of it? Just because a rider is in black tack, that does not take away the functionallity of their riding abilites. That doesn't take away from the fact that they can count strides and get their horse to the base of each fence in a rhythmic tempo - big deal if they are in black tack.

It's just things like that.

He isn't scared to rip you apart if he feels the need - and that I disagree with. These riders don't pay the money to be torn apart, they spend their money to learn how to ride under his theories.
Before I read that I was planning on making my reply along the lines of "knowledgable, but seems like a prick" but you just did that for me.

I think I would still try to be in one of his clinics though. If he called me fat or told me to dye my hair blonde, I would probably just start crying on my horse.
     
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    08-14-2009, 06:30 PM
  #22
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by MIEventer    
He isn't scared to rip you apart if he feels the need - and that I disagree with. These riders don't pay the money to be torn apart, they spend their money to learn how to ride under his theories.

Great post as always MIE! I agree with most of what you said. But.. Yes, these people are paying out the wazoo to ride with him, but to LEARN. Not to be babysat or patted on the head and told how pretty they are. He is truthful in telling you what you need to know but he also tells you when you've done a good job. That is key. I cliniced with a GP rider a few years ago who ripped me apart and reduced me to tears. But dang it, I pulled it together, worked my freaking BUTT off and I'm a completely different rider because of it. I'm going to a show where GM is judging in a few weeks and I get to audit his clinic! I"M SO EEEEXCITED!!!!
     
    08-14-2009, 06:36 PM
  #23
Trained
It depends on what he is tearing you apart about. It is one thing to tell you to stop stuffing twinkies down your throat, and another when he is telling you that you dropped your horse 1/2 a stride out.

It is one thing to tell you that you need to wear more flattering clothing for your chubby body type, infront of everyone, and another to be torn apart beacuse you keep landing on the incorrect lead.

If I were to ride in his clinic, I would expect him to educate me on how to ride my horse better, properly, and how to do the tasks he is working on with me and my horse, to better us as a team. NOT to be told to stop stuffing my face, or that my polo top is too tight for my body type.
     
    08-15-2009, 01:38 PM
  #24
Green Broke
Ok, I agree with you on that! That is kind of a private matter. If your weight is severely inhibiting your ability to ride (which I do know some people like that) that's something that needs to either be said quietly and privately or not at all. Some people might disagree on that one and think it's completely unnecessary to be mentioned. I see it both ways.
     
    08-16-2009, 09:53 AM
  #25
Yearling
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Originally Posted by MIEventer    
And I wish that it remained that way in the Hunter Ring today. It isn't just in the Hunter Ring that we see this, but I do believe it starts there.

I'll explain.

In the Hunter Ring, we see allot of perchers and posers now because they want to look pretty over the fence, so that they can pin. Pretty pins, unfortunately. Then the riders loose complete functionallity.

Then, these riders who have taught to ride this way (I blame the coaches....coaches who want to establish a name, through their students winning) merge into the Jumper Ring, but of course - and repeate this perching form over fences...still having no functionallity...and then, some of those, merge into the sport of Eventing.

That frustrates me ultimately, when I see a rider perching over CC fences. That is not a sport to piss around with - period.

What I am trying to say - is that, the line from what GM is trying to teach about Functional Form - and the line from looking pretty by having each body part where it should be to look nice over the fence, without understanding what each part is supposed to do for the horse - has been crossed.

GM talks about this quite often in is critique columns, and I agree with him, that the blame lays on the coaches out there today.

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I would never clinic with him, because I wouldn't meet his "Standards" of looks. I was priveledged enough to watch a clinic he was teaching, at a large Hunter/Jumper barn. One of the riders was overweight, not much - but enough to notice.

He made some rude comments towards her, infront of everyone with his mic on so all could hear.

He is very - unguarded with what he says to those around him, if they don't meet his ideals of looks, appearance.

I don't agree with that. These people spend ****ed good money to learn from him, and so what if a rider has a bit of a belly - they didn't come to get a body size critique from him, they came to learn valuable information about the sport they both love so much.

Who cares if a rider is in non traditional brown leather tack - so what if they choose to use black. And? What of it? Just because a rider is in black tack, that does not take away the functionallity of their riding abilites. That doesn't take away from the fact that they can count strides and get their horse to the base of each fence in a rhythmic tempo - big deal if they are in black tack.

It's just things like that.

He isn't scared to rip you apart if he feels the need - and that I disagree with. These riders don't pay the money to be torn apart, they spend their money to learn how to ride under his theories.

That's just how I feel. I felt terribly bad for that one girl. The funny thing, she could outride the majority of the riders who were in that clinic.

Well i'm going to completely agree with everything you have just said above :) I definitely do not want to be picked apart about my size or tack color. I want to be picked apart for how I ride.

And as for the functional vs. pretty riding. There has to be a balance. I just started taking lessons 3 weeks ago and my trainer, at the end of the first lesson said I have to decide whether I want to learn how to ride english the correct way or how to pin high in classes. Obviously, I want to learn the correct way of english riding. That gave me a good indicator that i've got a pretty good trainer. And I feel a whole heck of a lot better when I come out of a class , knowing we had a great ride and did everything correctly than coming out winning for no reason other than I looked pretty on my horse but had tons of mistakes.



Ugh.. people these days :p
     
    08-20-2009, 11:22 PM
  #26
Foal
I LOVE GM! Only thing I don't like is when he picks on the grays horses tail ends when they are stained in the practical horseman pictures..mostly the winter ones..dont want to be batheing tooo much! It'll dry out teh skkin. Beside that I love him
     
    08-24-2009, 06:27 PM
  #27
Weanling
Ugh, this whole "hunters are perchers" deal makes me very mad. I am a hunter and EQ rider. Hearing people degrade the whole sport of hunter/jumper really upsets me. You can be a "functional" and "pretty" rider. Hunter/EQ horses are harder to ride than it looks.

Here's the difference:
Percher


Rider


I also really don't appreciate that you said hunters make up the "bad" cross country riders. Believe me, I've seen quite a few bad CC riders who have never even jumped a hunter fence.

THIS

Will not win you a hunter class. If you want to win, you can't look like a hunchback with a wonky release. Sorry if I offend anyone, but this is my opinion. I'm all for riding effectively and therefore looking pretty, but GM (above) doesn't look pretty. Whatsoever. It's all about your perspective though.
     
    08-26-2009, 04:47 PM
  #28
Foal
^Hunters aren't judged on the riders. Wonky release/hunchback won't harm you in the hunters, as long as your horse has the best trip.

Eq on the other hand... you shall be nailed.
     
    08-26-2009, 05:23 PM
  #29
Weanling
I also agree to disagree with some of GM's things. I have seen plenty of "chubby" riders ride their butts off and do it very well. While I am traditional with the tack thing, I also don't think it should count against you as the color of your tack has nothing to do with how you ride. I just prefer brown.

I do want to touch lightly on how everyone is talking about how GM picks on people with dirty horses and tack. While I agree that he gets a little nutty with it, as someone mentioned before his thoughts come from the fact that a clean shiny horse is often an indication of a healthy and well cared for horse as well. As for the tack, if your tack is unkempt and dirty, it could be hiding flaws in the functionality of your tack that you might not miss if it wasn't caked with dirt and horse hair. Cleaning your tack regularly you become intimately familiar with every detail so if you notice a stitch that is loose or torn leather, etc....anything that could present a possible hazard when riding, it's better to notice while cleaning then to be riding and have something break and you get injured. I think that is what he is trying to drill at people about when he harps on those things. Being safe and treating your mount well is very important.

JJI, I don't think anyone was saying that ALL hunters are perchers, but just that it seems to be the case more and more, and not just in the hunter ring but I see a lot of jumpers in precarious positions on their horses too. I recently notcied that I jump ahead and I need to try to fix it but how do you fix it when your trainer does the same thing?

That pic of GM just aboe is interesting to me...in his Bill Cosby sweater, haha. About his release, let's not forget that this man is quite old, it looks like maybe he just needs a little more support because it looks like his right hand is on his horses neck? Just a guess but I'll be lucky if I'm still riding like that when I'm his age.
     
    08-26-2009, 06:51 PM
  #30
Weanling
If he's old and has to support himself on his horse's neck, he doesn't need to be jumping that high. There's plenty of younger folks to demonstrate what he can explain on the ground, IMHO.

And yes, hunters is more on the how the horse looks, but if you don't look good, it distracts from the horse. And I was talking from a more hunter AND eq perspective. Sorry for not clarifying :) I ride both so that's where I was coming from.
     

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