Getting a nice head set!! Need help!!

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    12-09-2009, 09:42 PM
Getting a nice head set!! Need help!!

Ok, here it go's long story short,lol just bought raven in oct. 09 the lady before me did fast things and reining with him but that got hurt so she slowed him down so he's a very nice looking for english and that's good beacuse that's what I show at and like. But here what he dose: pulls his nose forward like he needs more and wants more reins but I do give him all he wants and I ride bitless sometimes and still dose it. I use draw reins on him now and he drops nice but still dose it some times. How do I get that nice low head set!! Thanks trish
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    12-09-2009, 09:45 PM
Others can explain some helpful training, but I would like to add a quick comment. He is not going to have a level headset easily or comfortable, his neck is ties in very high, thus a high neck is comfortable for him
    12-09-2009, 09:55 PM
Originally Posted by 1dog3cats17rodents    
Others can explain some helpful training, but I would like to add a quick comment. He is not going to have a level headset easily or comfortable, his neck is ties in very high, thus a high neck is comfortable for him
no he can do it. I'll post some better pics
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    12-09-2009, 09:57 PM
As you can see to im giveing him his head and not not pulling.
    12-09-2009, 10:03 PM
In the pictures you just posted, he is behind the verticle ad avoiding the bit. You want him to reach for the bit, not shrimp curl his neck in to get away from it.

Ride back to front. Push him forward with soft legs and a soft seat. Here is a terrific link for you
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    12-09-2009, 10:04 PM
It may just take extra time doing what you are doing. Most of mine just relax into a low headset when they learn to collect the rest of their body. Good Luck. :) I hope someone can give you the advice you need.
    12-09-2009, 10:07 PM
Green Broke
He is very behind the verticle, that is not what you want. And I don't agree with draw reins, they make the horse develope the wrong muscles. I will leave the rest up to Anebel or Spyder or whoever else comes along.
    12-09-2009, 10:15 PM
It isn't about a headset, it is about whether your horse is using himself properly or not.

Just because his head is "in a frame" doesn't mean diddly squat. In those pictures, his back is dropped, his hind end is high, he isn't tracking up - so he isn't using himself properly.

Instead of worrying about a "pretty headset" start worrying about riding correctly and getting your horse to move out, forward and under himself.

Gadgets like draw reins, mute underlying issues. You take them away, and the problems show up again.
    12-09-2009, 10:17 PM
Green Broke
^What I wanted to say, just couldn't put it into words!
    12-09-2009, 10:37 PM
Welcome to the forum!!
The thing that strikes me the most from your photos is that your (super cute) horse isn't really truly working through himself. He isn't tracking up, and you can see that even though he's bringing his head down, he's still hollow through his back. The next thing I notice that even when his head is down, he's overbent, with his head behind the vertical - this is considered to be quite undesirable.
What I would suggest:
Drop the draw reins. They can force a horse into a headset, but that is far from being correct. Next, I would suggest completely forgetting about worrying about the headset for a while - concentrate instead on really feeling the horse start to drive with his hind end, and get a correct, even tempo. I like to call this trying to "feel the swing" - by this, I mean you want your horse to feel like it has "rear wheel" drive, and they're swinging their legs through a good range of motion, and tracking up. Play with transitions within and between gaits as well.
While you're working on impulsion, you want to be working on suppleness and straightness. By this I mean you want to be able to work the horse completely straight, but also ask for bend left and right as well. A couple of exercises I suggest for working on that are: serpentines (remember to get a few straight strides in the middle of each loop), 20-m to 10-m then back out spirals.
Through this, you should actually start seeing your horse round through his back, and come into a frame naturally. But, that is another post - I would suggest working on the above first.
I strongly suggest a trainer - they can correct minute things right then and there in real-time, rather than having it explained to you over the internet.
Good luck :)

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