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        07-02-2009, 09:32 AM
      #31
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    Jessabel- Are you talking about the reins in my OP? I have been trying to keep contact and no more western rein...lol

    Misfit- I totally see what you are talking about. I went out and rode last night and worked on moving my pelvis back instead of my back... And it was different but the middle of my back didnt get that locked up feeling. My BF came with (who isnt really a horsey guy) and I told hime to watch my seat and eveytime I start to lean yell at me... It really helped.

    Farm pony- Thanks!!! A good handful of people at the show commented on how they like the looks of her along with her size (she is a moose!!!) But now that we are starting to get things figured out together the rides are be coming more fun then frustrating...

    Thanks again everyone!!!!!
         
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        07-04-2009, 07:52 PM
      #32
    Foal
    That's great that your back isn't feeling locked!

    When riding locked=bad. Surprisingly enough, it is SO much easier to ride when you're sitting properly. Once you fix that, you will notice a lot of improvement in the effectiveness of your seat.

    Not sure if I told you, but your mare is super cute. She also wants to come live with me.
         
        07-28-2009, 06:27 AM
      #33
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    In English style riding bringing a horse's nose down so as to go "on the bit" is part of dressage training and very useful in show jumping. But your photo suggests that your horse is used to being ridden on a long rein with the rider sitting on a big western saddle - the weight of the rider being spread across the horse's back.
    Your own posture needs correcting for English - you are leaning forwards, your heels have raised up and perhaps your stirrup leathers are too long. To get the horse to bring its nose down and to lift its neck up calls for you to be sitting differently.
    The English saddle has a smaller footprint on the horse's back so your weight is concentrated over a smaller area.
    You should be holding the reins in two hands with a much closer contact with the horses mouth. To "go round" , the horse's hind quarters are pushed up front by the action of the rider's "rump" - the horses neck & head being restricted by shorter reins. It is all very sophisticated really and it is best for the horse if a well schooled rider works the horse first so as to give the animal an idea of what is required.
    You may well have learned to ride "western" which is a different technique.
    In Britain this "going on the bit" is regarded as being a medium advanced technique for an experienced rider. Long term success in getting the horse to carry the rider by have a rounded outline undoubtedly makes the horse nicer to ride but it can be a long road to success unless you have someone knowledgeable locally to help you.
    The journey will start with your learning to sit differently.
    This forum can only hint at what you have to learn.
    Try to find a good sympathetic instructor who rides English.
         
        07-29-2009, 08:09 PM
      #34
    Weanling
    ^----Love it. Almost everyone here has said what I was thinking as I progressed along the posts. If I were your eyes on the ground all you would hear from me is shorten your reins! The only think I think has happened is some of these people have really complicated the whole process with worrying about everything, all important things, but I would make it simple:
    1. Shorten your reins, till they are in the mane and your horses head is up off the ground, maybe over exagerate until you realize how much feel you are going to need.
    2. Get an english lesson, and not a western english lesson, but a dressage or true english barn. AQHA shows don't demonstrate the same frame as a true english horse needs to go in, and it can vary base on conformation. QHs are built with a low headset that many people take advantage of to create a nice english picture, you need to show/train your horse different headsets like a dressage carriage, equitation frame, and true hunter horse frame, where it has to be up off his forehand in order to jump.
    3.Then try fancy equipment, draw reins, new bit, something that might present the idea of a different carriage, while it will not correcti everything, like draw reins making them carry thier head better, but doesn't really correct the heavy on the forehand back to front stuff, it's again about correcting one thing at a time and recognizing better vs. perfectly correct. But I wouldn't reccomend some of this stuff until you have a much firmer grasp on how much contact this requires. I have used it all, don't bash anything, but one should educate themselves, try, reassess. Somethings just work sometimes, but recognize your specific scenario.
    Otherwise there is no substitute for the constant nagging of a good trainer or experienced friend.
         
        07-29-2009, 10:40 PM
      #35
    Foal
    Many thanks to MYBOYPUCK. My trainer tells me exactly what you wrote but it helps to reinforce what my trainer says verbally by seeing it in writing !
         
        07-29-2009, 11:15 PM
      #36
    Foal
    I think you guys look super cute together, if you got her to just pull in a tad bit more, and I mean a very miniscule amount, she would make a star hunter.

    I think you should put your stirrups up a hole, it would definatley help you pull your leg back a bit.

    Good job!
         
        08-10-2009, 01:06 PM
      #37
    Foal
    Farmpony84 - draw reins are a good idea. It will help her build up the muscles that she needs to go on the bit and tuck her nose in.

    Overall, you're doing well by the sounds of things, but the first thing I noticed - definitely in the first picture, you need to sit back a bit. She's not a stocky built horse (ie shire, clydesdale, percheron etc.) but you need to sit back as some horse feel the weight being lifted off their backs and would like to chuck that buck in every now and then and you will go splat :( another BIG thing is your reins.. if you're wanting to get contact out of her, they need to be shorter. Fair enough you've been riding western for a while, but they need to be shorter but still have that space for her to move and for you not to be yanking on her mouth.

    Looking good though :)
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        09-09-2009, 02:43 AM
      #38
    Started
    Exclamation I've been looking for this!

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    Originally Posted by anrz    
    I'm not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for, but it might help a bit. The Three-Second Solution: Putting Your Horse On the Bit
    Thank you for posting that link. I needed it!!!
         
        09-09-2009, 04:06 AM
      #39
    Foal
    Looking good I'd advise against draw reins until she's brought her head back a bit though...I'd agree with shortening your stirrups a couple of holes, and your reins too, and lifting your hands. Is your saddle comfortable? It just looks like it might be a little small for you, which won't help your position. My RI always describes the controlled forward impulsion required to get a horse working on the bit as driving the horse upwards rather than forwards, IYKWIM, with your legs and your seat
         

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