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  • Spanish horse cerreta
  • Hackamore that puts pressure on nose

 
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    08-25-2009, 06:47 AM
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The SPanish train their Andalucian stallions with a Cerreta - a fiersome apparatus which often leaves a scar on the nose of the horse. Some trainers, when basic training is completed, follow it up with a hackamore of various patterns. But in Spain a lot of men ride horses invariably stallions which you'll see happily mixing with each other at the ferias (fairs), A Spanish trained horse is obedient and is very often a horse which is a delight to be ridden for any purpose by a skilled rider.

Monty Robert's "Dually" halter works by pressure on the nose,

Personally I have a rope training halter, bought years ago in some Western tack store, which works by pressure on the nose and the poll. I use it especially for training work on the ground.

On a well schooled horse, the bit should be seen as a communication aid, not a set of brakes. So if you take the bit away, then you lose a degree of communication.

However if you are going to feed the horse up with high energy rations and then take it out on a hack with a group of horses for a burn up, then the horse will get steamed up. And then the rider might be gratefull for a more powerful stopping bit or perhaps at least the leverage from a running martingale.

Bits and bitting is a very specialist subject but many horse behavioural problems are caused by incorrect bitting and
Poor hands. It is worth getting to understand some of the principles.
There a good website www.sustainabledressage.net which discusses bitting. And the Myler Bit company explains their ideas on their web site.

Barry G
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    08-25-2009, 06:49 AM
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Saddles.
An "english" cut saddle which doesn't fit the shape of a horse's back will do significant harm to a horse's back and give rise to behaviourial problems. Always check before mounting a horse's back for saddle sores or white scars from previous sores.
The footprint to carry the rider's full weight is small compared with the footprint of a Western saddle.
The use of thick numbnahs or pads helps but may not eradicate the problem of a poorly fitting saddle.
Ideally every horse should have a dedicated saddle which is regularly checked by a saddler to make sure it continues to fit the horse.
The Australians make WOW saddles which can be adjusted for width but the saddle still has to fit lengthwise.

Maybe horses with similar breeding have similar backs but there will be different muscle development - calling for different width fittings. A teaching establishment should always show the pupil what is important about saddle fitting. It is very questionable to think that saddles can be interchangeable in the way you describe.

One of the big advantages of the Western saddle is the way in which it spreads the rider's weight across the horse's back over a thick blanket.

Barry G

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    08-25-2009, 11:22 AM
  #23
Yearling
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Originally Posted by cheply    
Sorry, Another question I just thought of... these should probably go in the tack forum... but...
Another sortof funny things I found my barn does...

All of the lesson horses share tack! (Aside from bridles)
Like... there are 5 different english saddles and my instructor told me to just grab any one of them....

They don't look to be the same size though...

How could all of those saddles fit each horse properly?
Thank god for our barn. Every horse has their own saddle. (:
As for your hackamore question: the hackamore puts pressure on different parts of the horse (their nose, not their mouth, ect.) so obviously, you wouldn't put too much pressure on them. But you can hurt a horse in a bit, too. It's really no different.
     
    08-27-2009, 02:05 PM
  #24
Foal
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Originally Posted by TroubledTB    
Umm welcome to lesson barns? Saddle fitting issues can be helped with proper padding, but more importantly it shoud fit you as best it can rather than the horse. Trainers don't have one saddle for every horse, they usually have one and pad accordingly. Some horses with saddle issues can be ridden in the horses owners saddle if it is fitted to them and fits the trainer well. Saddle fit can be a problem for horses, and there are certain trees that are better for multiple horses, but they are expensive and aren't really intended to be just for one horse, unless the horse really demands a custom fitted saddle.
In Estonia, every horse has their own tack. And most of the saddles, fit to everyone. Beaucause little kids ride with little ponies
     

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