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    01-02-2012, 09:57 PM
Have you ever wondered why your horse won't move? He doesn't want to. If your mum came up to you a said 'go for a walk' or 'go for a run' it's not the most ideal thing (it might be for you but your horse doesn't seem to like it). I ride Parelli which uses methods of making a horse want to do something for you instead of feeling 'oh I probably should do this or I'm going to get hit'. He is taking advantage of you. He doesn't think you are interesting enough for him to do something for you. If my horse doesn't want to do something, I change her mind. If she doesn't want to walk forward, the first thing I do is bring all my energy up, squeeze all the way down your leg, not just lower leg or heel and then click or kiss. If this doesn't work, I do want I mentioned before; I change her mind. If she doesn't want to go forwards, we will go backwards, sideways, small turning circles and so on. If se doesn't respond, I would get off and make her do something that gets her thinking (I would do cantering figure 8) after a while she will think, would I rather canter round, or walk with her on my back? I know maybe the getting off part may not help for when you are going out hacking but hopefully it will helpfor the future :) I know Parelli doesn't work for everyone but these are a few things that can be incorporated into traditional riding as well. Once again, I hope I have helped :o)
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    01-03-2012, 12:52 PM
Thats awesome savvygirl- I need to start thinking like this!! No wait- I WILL start tthinking like this!! Thank you!
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    01-03-2012, 01:15 PM
I never thought like this until someone told me, but once you hear it it makes loads of sense even though you would have never have thought of it that way- and its okay!
    01-03-2012, 03:39 PM
No offence to Savvy but ew, Parelli. PP is a good horseman in his own right (when he's in control that is) but the majority of his "instructors" have got the wrong end of the stick and are teaching their own version of the method which may or may not be as effective. I personally use a modified version of Parelli taught to me by a very well-considered horseman who actually learned from the man himself. Among others.

What I would do in this situation is what my instructor has been at me about with Monty. Light leg aid, ONCE. No nagging. And then if the horse doesn't respond, make it think it's going to die if it doesn't move NOW. You ask for forward, you should GET forward, and it doesn't matter if it's faster than you thought you were asking, not while you're putting the notion of forward into the horse's head. You can always refine it later.

I have from a sluggish walk to trot transition, demanded a fast canter. Boy was he sharp off the leg the next time!

Oh - and if the transition is dodgy, bring the horse back and ask again, and again, and again, until you get a snappy one - and THEN allow the horse to keep going in the gait you were asking for.
    01-03-2012, 03:47 PM
I have a very lazy fjord, so my instructor taught me that if squeezing with my legs doesn't work, and a tap with the whip behind my leg doesn't work, you whack them on the top of their bum (and I mean really skelp them), because that's where the energy comes from. It really worked with my horse, she got the hang of it and soon was going nicely with just me using my legs
    01-03-2012, 03:55 PM
[QUOTE=blue eyed pony;129173 And then if the horse doesn't respond, make it think it's going to die if it doesn't move NOW. [/QUOTE]

Do you actually want your horse to feel as if its going to die or be hurt? My horse does things for me because she wants to, not because she feel tha she is the prey and will be hurt if she doesnt.
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    01-04-2012, 07:33 AM
Hasn't harmed my relationship with either of mine, Savvy. They're both easy to catch in the pasture (they catch ME) and they're both very affectionate and friendly with anybody. So the yearling's not under saddle yet and with a horse that's still learning I'd move more slowly but with Monty... He is an accomplished eventer and therefore usually pretty good on the "soft aids" side of things but bloody lazy so yes, he needs to know there are unpleasant consequences for not doing as he's told, or he'd get more and more sluggish off the leg and THEN where would I be? I don't advocate abuse... I just feel that Parelli-followers and MANY other horsepeople besides are far too soft on their horses and that's why we get people who have problems.

With any horse, you want to make what YOU want the easy way out. My boy can't handle a whip so I've had to increase the strength in my legs so that I can give STRONG leg aids, and I bought some spurs to use if I'm anticipating a particularly sluggish day. I used them for two rides and haven't needed them since. If he's being REALLY bad, and I don't have my spurs with me, I'll dismount and put him in the round pen, and he will go quickly, or he will feel the sting of the lunge whip on his butt.

I don't force my horse to do anything... what I do is ensure that he respects me. I guarantee you that if the alpha mare in the pasture told a horse to move, and that horse refused, she'd do a whole lot worse than any human being is physically capable of.
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    01-04-2012, 07:49 AM
Well people that have problems, are not using it properly. I have been taught by a Parelli Proffessional, I know what I am doing, if you use it wrong, you can get problems. My aids are soft to begin with, and I get harder gradually. But I have now improved a lot with my horse and use the same aids but 1..........234 not 1....2....3.....4, so my horse moves forwards on the ground while riding and turns with me just using hand signals and body language.
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    01-04-2012, 08:06 AM
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That's a good technique, blue eyed pony, and I used it too on my boy, when he was extremely lazy and sluggish both in walk, trot and transitioning to canter. We got to snappy transitions and active walk in no time, and he's very responsive to the leg - learning that "go" really means GO and that following the leader, if the leader says we have to run, NOW, is a good thought. And it hasn't harmed our relationship, either, quite on the contrary.
    01-04-2012, 08:29 AM
Savvy, a whip and spurs in the wrong hands can do damage, as can a knotted headcollar and a 'carrot' stick.

My horse has a job- she is a working animal. Fear and respect are two different things, and I wouldn't condone anyone that beats their horse's in to submission- however, I do have one question to ask you, and I don't know if Parelli has covered this.

Herd dynamics.
In Parelli's heard, does his lead mare politely ask the others to stop getting in her space, stop trying to get in to lead position and stop nipping at her heels?

I'll answer this how I would: no.
Horses are horses. If I use a whip, leg or spur on my horse, it is not to harm him, it is to REMIND him I am lead mare. I do not have the physical strength of a horse to nail her butt and double barrel her, so I use other things to my advantage (no whip though, can't touch her with one under saddle). IF people use these things correctly, its in no way to harm a horse, it is the equivalent to a herd mare saying 'this is where you go' I am saying 'this is where your feet go ie speed, gait, movement'.
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