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  • Saddle with front thigh blocks
  • Stirrup leathers fix chair seat

 
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    09-18-2011, 06:16 PM
  #11
Foal
Ok I know I wrote this thread a few weeks ago but I finally got a video that shows my not so hot position. Here is the youtube link- hope it works

     
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    09-21-2011, 11:21 AM
  #12
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Passion4Horses    
Thanks guys! Any other help/suggestions? I really want to fix this.
Since you're taking lessons (private?) ask for a lunge line lesson to work on your position. If your balance is decent you can remove the stirrups - that WILL promote a nice long leg and help eliminate a chair seat. Also pay attention to the saddle that is pushing you into this seat - do you use the same saddle every time? If so is it because that is the only saddle available to you, or the one that fits your horse? Then ask your instructor if they have a saddle with longer flaps (for longer thighs). A saddle can force you into a chair seat or encourage you to continue in a chair seat.

A dressage saddle with front thigh blocks can help "train" your leg to be longer. If you don't have that available a longer flapped saddle with thigh blocks (perhaps longer stirrup leathers?) would also "tend" to help fix the ole chair seat.
     
    09-21-2011, 12:32 PM
  #13
Foal
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Originally Posted by Passion4Horses    
Ok I know I wrote this thread a few weeks ago but I finally got a video that shows my not so hot position. Here is the youtube link- hope it works
Trotting without stirrups - the cure for many issues! FWIW, here is what I like to do...

When you first get in to the saddle, flip your stirrups across over your saddle to get them out of your way and to prevent them from swinging around and hitting the horse. Then let your legs hang down. Swing your legs from front to back from the hip to get them loose and really relax. They should drop another 2 inches. Relax your lower back, still tall, look forward, and walk on letting your hips follow your horses' movements.

When you are ready, squeeze with your lower legs in to an easy trot. Keep pressing with your lower legs, allowing your knees and lower back to remain soft to absorb the bounce. Keeping your calves on helps keep you on the horse!..as well as keeping him moving forward.

Practice going large, then in 20 m circles, then figure 8's then over cavaletti poles...

I do work without stirrups at least a couple times per week - keeps me fit...and honest ;)
     
    09-21-2011, 01:13 PM
  #14
Trained
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Originally Posted by Passion4Horses    
Ok I know I wrote this thread a few weeks ago but I finally got a video that shows my not so hot position. Here is the youtube link- hope it works

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtUQtoWob4M
That saddle is all wrong for you. It puts you in a horrible position, your body is being shoved to the rear of the saddle, and the flaps are not forward enough for your body type.

Also, your posting is very loud, and your seat should never make contact with the saddle on your downward movement. You are making far too much of an effort to post, when your posting should be soft and light, allowing your horse to make you do the movement...you shouldn't be forcing it - againa, this is your saddle.

Your saddle should put your leg underneith you directly, where you can balance oer your feet. Your weight should be distributed near the pommel area where you are sitting over the girth, also when you sit, you cannot fit a handswidth between your seat and the rear of the saddle - that saddle is all wrong for you.

You need a saddle with a much more forward flap, and bigger in size. When you sit in the saddle, you should instantly be balanced.
     
    09-23-2011, 09:15 PM
  #15
Foal
Thank you for your info MIEventer. I kind of had a feeling that my thigh didn't fit the saddle very well. I have my next lesson on wedensday and I will talk to my trainer and see about a different saddle, I am not sure if we will have another option or not, but hopefully I can find a different one! Do you think I will have a hard time fitting into saddles because I have longer thighs though? Also I know my posting is off it feels and looks like it is a huge movement, so do you think that with the right saddle that will be fixed?

Thanks for all the posts everyone. I am learning so much, I really love this forum!
     
    09-24-2011, 12:49 AM
  #16
Super Moderator
I saw the vid, but I don't know how MIeventer can tell about the saddle. I feel like I'm peeking out and can hardly get any detail.

You do post too "loud", but I think that is because you are posting off your knee. You are levering yourself up and working a lot harder than necessary. When you can get you leg more under you and post with your weight comeing all the way down into your stirrup, it will be much lighter, both goin up and coming down.

There was some discussin about the upper body coming forward or backward, according to whether or not the lower leg was forward or back.
Here's my experience: If the lower leg is too far forward, the upper body will have to compensate to keep the body balanced. The only way to not do that is to resist by pushing hard into the stirrup, but when posting , if the lowe leg is too far forward, you HAVE to more your upper body also forward.

If your saddle is not sitting correctlly on the back of this horse, for reasons of poor saddle fit or because the hrose is by nature very "uphill' in build, the front of the saddle will be too high. You will end up kind of sitting on a "hill" and will constantly be struggling to "climb" it every time you lever yourself out of the saddle. This also results in the rider often falling behind the motion (the trot rythm) of the horse, and then landing not as soft as they should in each down stroke of the post.

Look at the saddle sitting on the horse's back. See if the back (the cantle) is about 1 inch or so HIGHER than the front. If the front is higher than the back , then the saddle's position is off. Might indicate that it's too narrow in front, too.

How tall are you? What size is that saddle?
     
    09-24-2011, 03:42 AM
  #17
Trained
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Originally Posted by Passion4Horses    
Thank you for your info MIEventer. I kind of had a feeling that my thigh didn't fit the saddle very well. I have my next lesson on wedensday and I will talk to my trainer and see about a different saddle, I am not sure if we will have another option or not, but hopefully I can find a different one! Do you think I will have a hard time fitting into saddles because I have longer thighs though? Also I know my posting is off it feels and looks like it is a huge movement, so do you think that with the right saddle that will be fixed?

Thanks for all the posts everyone. I am learning so much, I really love this forum!
You are welcome, glad I was able to shed some light on the subject. If you had a feeling, then follow that. That saddle is all wrong for you and puts you in a not so good position.

Remember, your saddle should aid you, not hinder you. It has to work with you, not against you - and that saddle is against you. It's just not right for your body type at all.

Yes, you need a more forward flap of a saddle - but see what your coach can come up with. You might not have that much of an option if you are using a lesson horse and lesson saddle.

If you have your own, I would highly encourage you and your parents to go to a saddler, and sit in a multitude of saddles that they put out for you pending your body type. You have a long leg like me, I have to have a forward flap to accomodate that.

My new saddle, puts me in a beautiful position, naturally. I don't have to fight or struggle to achieve it - your saddle should put your feet under you naturally, the twist should accomodate your pelvis size, the flaps must accomodate your leg length. You want to beable to get a handswidth between your seat and the cantle when you are in the sit position. And yes, when you are balanced over your feet and your seat is put in a proper position, your posting will grow quieter and softer....because your saddle is working with you.

Let me know how it goes!
     
    09-24-2011, 12:00 PM
  #18
Foal
Tinyliny- I am 5' 7" or maybe 5'8" and I am not positive but I think the saddle is a 17.

MIEventer- It is a lesson saddle, so I will hopefully find one that will fit me better. I will see how it goes and post a new vid on wedensday if I get to use a different saddle.

Thanks everyone for their posts.
     
    09-24-2011, 12:45 PM
  #19
Trained
I am 5'7" and I am in an 18", with a forward flap. Being an Eventer, I have to have a forward flap.
     
    09-24-2011, 03:32 PM
  #20
Foal
I used to have a BAD chair seat and couldn't understand why posting was so difficult. Finally my instructor got this idea to use a rubber band-like thing (bright yellow, probably 4 feet long, 6in wide, thin like latex, very embarrassing :P) to tie to both stirrups and wrap behind the cantle. That kind of taught me how proper position is supposed to be/feel and I've never had a problem with chair seat since.
     

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