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post #11 of 20 Old 07-10-2013, 01:11 PM
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I agree with the other posts, unfortunately "feel" cannot be taught however. Something to keep in mind while you're learning to collect your horse is that if you have 5lbs holding your reins, you need 10 lbs of leg. Leg is first and foremost important. You have to engage your horses hind end before he can collect properly.
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post #12 of 20 Old 07-10-2013, 01:49 PM
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I really like Dennis Reis' training. You start with asking for gaits and half and full halts with your weight and body. Therefore, you can train your horse to slow down and stop without using the bit harshly.
Then you can focus on the "German Training Scale" or your favorite method of training and perfect that.
If you watch a horse at liberty slow down or stop her will drop the haunches and pull up and "collect" the head and neck. This is natural.
Riders can ruin this natural tendency and teach their horses to pull forward with their heads and become unbalanced at the halt and half-halt.
A bitting rig (aka Pessoa) also helps to teach your horse to carry himself and find bit contact.
Listen, in a perfect world we all learn to do this right the first time. I learned to do it wrong with "Corporal", Arabian (1982-2009, RIP) but we spent so much time together that I accomplished my goal, anyway. I would train him differently today. He was still a blast to ride bc he would do a great piaffe and passage and had an awesome collected canter and side pass. miss him

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post #13 of 20 Old 07-10-2013, 05:09 PM Thread Starter
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I talked to a trainer recently and showed her done videos of Joey. She says he looks like he's more built for hunters than dressage, so I think I'll stick to that with him!

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post #14 of 20 Old 07-10-2013, 06:00 PM
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I have just recently been able to get my horse to do a collected trot, it is stunning to watch him do it and it feels like he's floating, but he can only do it for a few strides. Horses need a lot of time to be able to build up to it, its hard! You as a rider need to be fit enough to be able to get him there as well, it takes an incredibly amount of core strength to get a horse into collection. Get your main gaits down, a strong walk is imperative. A loose, working and slow impulsion filled trot goes a long way. Working to control a canter from a sitting trot will help you, but you have to be sure your horse is physically fit enough to preform these moves properly.
Talk to your trainer about your goals :) You will get there!
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post #15 of 20 Old 07-13-2013, 07:47 PM Thread Starter
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ok! I appreciate the tips!

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post #16 of 20 Old 07-14-2013, 12:54 PM
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I usually collect by sinking into my seat, massaging the reins and keeping my leg on.

One thing I do that helps is do a bit of a mini see-sawing. Gently squeeze(don't outright pull) one rein, do the other an kind of alternate between the two while squeezing with your leg to keep him from breaking down to a trot or a walk(depending on if your trotting or cantering). I have a horse that pulls me like a truck and this helps me alot.

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post #17 of 20 Old 07-14-2013, 01:14 PM
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Ponyluver, maybe you can go with your friend and watch her lessons? Then maybe you and she can see other lessons, boarders, and maybe the trainer school some horses. You can learn a lot by auditing lessons - we even pay hundreds for the priviledge to watch great trainers teach other people in clinics.
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Do not see saw on the horse's mouth. For now have a soft, steady feel in your hand, a horse responsive to the leg and moving forward, and a steady rhythm.
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post #19 of 20 Old 07-14-2013, 09:55 PM
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I usually collect by sinking into my seat, massaging the reins and keeping my leg on.

One thing I do that helps is do a bit of a mini see-sawing. Gently squeeze(don't outright pull) one rein, do the other an kind of alternate between the two while squeezing with your leg to keep him from breaking down to a trot or a walk(depending on if your trotting or cantering). I have a horse that pulls me like a truck and this helps me alot.
OP, don't ever follow this advice.

Jorjor, the reason your horse pulls like a truck is because you see saw it's mouth. Collection doesn't EVER come from the face, or the reins, or the bit, or the hands, or the bridle, or anything forward of the rider. It comes from the back, from riding a horse from back to front, TO the bridle.

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post #20 of 20 Old 07-15-2013, 05:49 PM Thread Starter
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Ok! I'll start working on more of the stuff people have posted.

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