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post #1 of 9 Old 07-12-2010, 12:42 PM Thread Starter
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Hunt Seat?

I was recently told that my appaloosa Kubie won a few hunt seat shows at the Minnesota state fair back in the day. It got me to thinking...what on earth is hunt seat? Is it like a hunter show? Do you jump in the hunt seat or have discipline specific saddles/gear?

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post #2 of 9 Old 07-12-2010, 11:42 PM
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Specifically, they could have meant hunter pleasure or hunter under saddle (HUS):

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Hunter-under-saddle is a class that emphasizes a horses movement and way of going, and also their "type" and conformation. Manners and obedience are important too, but it is not the same as a hunter pleasure class where good manners and obedience are judged more heavily, with less emphasis on movement and "type". In hunter-under-saddle, rein contact is required as per AHSA rules, so a horse that is being ridden on a loose or slack rein should not place well. In terms of movement, we want to see a horse that does not have a lot of knee and hock action or a lot of suspension as you would see with a good dressage horse. They should move in a way that I call "sweep-and-reach", also known as being "a daisy cutter". Basically, the horse just picks up their feet enough to clear the ground and sweeps their legs smoothly forward with nice length of stride at the trot and then sets the feet down again. Canter is the same thing; pick up the feet enough to clear the ground and stride forward without a lot of knee and hock action or big, round scope canter strides. The gaits are flatter, smooth and very efficient, with nice reach at the trot. A horse being shown in hunter-under-saddle is more a "type" of horse then a pleasure class horse is.
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Or they could have meant hunt seat equitation--HSE. At breed shows we typically say a horse does the "hunt seat" and we're referring to HSE.

Odd choice of words either way. Most of the time English events are referred to as "hunter shows", not hunt seat shows. At least out here on the left coast.

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Thanks so much for the information! I think I might order Kubie's show records from the Appaloosa Horse Association--it might be nice to see what exactly he competed in.

I had never heard of a "hunt seat" competition either...they are hunter shows here in Minnesota. Kubie would have competed in these a good 10-20 years ago, so perhaps the name was different then?

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That is a very scary photo example of hunter under saddle.
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Alwaysbehind: Perhaps you should post a HUS photo from the USEF perspective so the OP can see the difference. Alas, it does vary. That's actually a nice shot of a breed show HUS, and I say that not to be argumentative, but so the OP knows. Different strokes for different folks and all that. :)

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Eta: we're SUPPOSED to be going more level at breed shows these days, but we're not there yet. Bah! :(

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Eta: we're SUPPOSED to be going more level at breed shows these days, but we're not there yet. Bah! :(

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I guess I should have typed it. But yes. The rules at breed shows say the poll should not be below the withers. The example horse is showing what was, not what is supposed to be now. (Though I was at an open show and the judge placed them such that the more down hill they were the higher their placing. She was obviously a lover of the true peanut roller look.)

As we discussed in another thread, calling English under saddle classes at breed shows Hunter under saddle is kind of confusing. A horse moving across a field would fall on its nose moving that down hill and on its front end.
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Lol I just googeled HUS...
I didn't say it was a world champion. The photo could've been from years ago when low heads were "in style".

I know in the arab horse world you won't place at (most) shows if the poll is too low. :)

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(Though I was at an open show and the judge placed them such that the more down hill they were the higher their placing. She was obviously a lover of the true peanut roller look.)
I know. I guess it's going to take some time to re-train--or weed out--the old school judges. Drives me nuts. :)

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