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        10-05-2009, 10:08 PM
      #21
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by horsequeen373    
    That is what most people go by but in hunters each judge has a different opinion so you may do amazing in one show with that attire and "piano hands" as I call them because that judge for some odd reason found it good....don't know why anyone would think that though...

    Well technically hunters are based on the horse, not the rider. So if a horse goes around and has a nice course or moves well on the flat chances are it's going to get a good ribbon regardless of position faults from the rider. Remember too its based on what the judge sees in comparison to everyone else. Maybe the judge hated to pin her as first (or whatever) looking the way she did but no one else did better.

    And this may be getting off topic but I have to say... I often hear on this forum the idea that hunter judging is based on nothing but opinion, as if it's just a whim of what he/she liked that day or something. PICK UP A BOOK CALLED "JUDGING HUNTERS AND HUNTER SEAT EQUITATION" BY JANE WHITE-MULLIN. Despite what some people may think, the judges don't just point to the shiny bay and decide it's prettier then everyone else. Every round is given a numerical score out of 100 and most judges would describe a course in the 70s, 80's, 90's pretty similarly. Yes, some judges will think that getting the lead change is more important then 8 perfect distances and others will think vice versa. But either way, you knock a rail down and your score is an automatic 50. Go to quality shows with reputable judges and you'll find that judging is a lot more consistent then you'd think.
    *gets off her soapbox and returns to original topic*
         
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        10-05-2009, 10:19 PM
      #22
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by wild_spot    
    Trail riding. Mounted games. Campdrafting. Endurance.

    I HATE open shows. I detest that people/horses are judged on appearance as much as riding ability. I hate that it panders to the rich, and those who don't train their own horses but pay others to do it for them. I still show occasionally, but I do it on my terms. I recently rode at our zone showriding competition in my ASH get up. Got a few odd looks but still placed well. It should be about how you ride, not about how you look.
    I want to say first that I know you are speaking about one part of showing and that you know not everyone falls into the stereotypes you are condemning above. I get that. So please don't think I'm arguing. I just want to comment.

    But I do want to take a second to say that I have been riding since I was 7. Getting to take a lesson every 1 - 2 weeks before I could afford my own leases. I bought my horse a year ago when I was 26, out of college, and paying my own bills. It took my 19 years to get my own horse. And I bought an OTTB (clearly) and have been training him with the assistance of a trainer. Not solely by a trainer. I didn't think I would show again, but got the bug as soon as the season hit. And bought the appropriate clothes to look my best.

    I don't like seeing kids who's mommy's bought their tall boots and paid their USEF fees, but I don't resent them for having what I didnt. That's not fair. So I guess what Im saying, in a long winded manner, is that everyone is held to the same standard despite how rich you are. And I am sure there are plenty of people out there like me who didn't show until they saved up enough money to have the clothes they feel good in.
         
        10-06-2009, 12:00 AM
      #23
    Trained
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    I want to say first that I know you are speaking about one part of showing and that you know not everyone falls into the stereotypes you are condemning above. I get that. So please don't think I'm arguing. I just want to comment.

    But I do want to take a second to say that I have been riding since I was 7. Getting to take a lesson every 1 - 2 weeks before I could afford my own leases. I bought my horse a year ago when I was 26, out of college, and paying my own bills. It took my 19 years to get my own horse. And I bought an OTTB (clearly) and have been training him with the assistance of a trainer. Not solely by a trainer. I didn't think I would show again, but got the bug as soon as the season hit. And bought the appropriate clothes to look my best.

    I don't like seeing kids who's mommy's bought their tall boots and paid their USEF fees, but I don't resent them for having what I didnt. That's not fair. So I guess what Im saying, in a long winded manner, is that everyone is held to the same standard despite how rich you are. And I am sure there are plenty of people out there like me who didn't show until they saved up enough money to have the clothes they feel good in.
    Yeah, I do know that :] And it's all good, I love a healthy debate.

    I don't really get mad at the people who's parents buy them things that mine couldn't. I get mad at the ones who use that as an excuse to not put in any work. I.e. Buy a finished show horse, get someone else to ride it, someone else to groom it, and just hop on up for the show and collect a few ribbons. I worked so hard to get my ay-rab to stop star-gazing, to relax and collect, to be soft and supple, to get reliable lengthening and immediate changes... And to get railroaded by people who used money as a substitute for good riding would crush me. If they earned the ribbon? Sure. No problem.

    I have an amazing little arab that I did everything on. But there is such prejudice against arabs in the showing world, at least in AUS. He was the world to me but judges didnt think so. He would not put a foot wrong, yet I never once won a champion ribbon on him, despite some amazing workouts and many expereinced opinions that he should have won. I got reserve champion arab in the arab ring because, wait for it: The other horse had better movement due to it's NON-arab half, being a derivative. How you can place the derivative over the arab because of it's non-arab traits in the arab ring is beyond me.

    ^ That's the gripe I have about showing. The political side... The fact that personal opinion plays into the judging. I would actually quite enjoy showing if there were no judges :]

    * Now I am a bit of a hypocrite as I am dipping my toes back into the showing world, albeit the ASH shows are a bit different... (National show this weekend, and definitely cr*pping myself that my horse will look scruffy, tack isn't fancy enough, etc...).
         
        10-06-2009, 12:01 AM
      #24
    Trained
    ^ Lol, that reads very jumbled. I added bits after I thought I finished!
         
        10-06-2009, 07:25 AM
      #25
    Started
    For all the people always saying that the hunter world is too political, it's all based on the judge's opinion, ect. What about dressage? How is it any different for a dressage judge than a hunter judge?
         
        10-06-2009, 07:36 AM
      #26
    Started
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    Originally Posted by wild_spot    
    I don't really get mad at the people who's parents buy them things that mine couldn't. I get mad at the ones who use that as an excuse to not put in any work. I.e. Buy a finished show horse, get someone else to ride it, someone else to groom it, and just hop on up for the show and collect a few ribbons.
    So a person whose trainer rides their horse doesn't "earn" a ribbon? Last time I checked, it's the kid riding, not the trainer in the class. Perhaps the kid or horse gets nervous at shows and the trainer is schooling. Or the horse is green and again, the trainer is schooling. And what's wrong with someone else grooming? I pay someone to braid my horse. Does that make me less of a rider? What's wrong with buying a "finished" horse? Some people prefer training, some don't. If you can afford it, there's nothing wrong with getting the best horse you can afford. If that's a young horse, great, you can grow together. If that's a "finished" horse, great, you can work on yourself and "polish" the horse. As for "hopping on" and getting the ribbons, be aware what you see at shows is not the big picture. Many kids at my barn (including me) hire a professional to ride at shows, but do all the riding at home. One family has two top ponies per kid, hirses a groom at BIG shows, and they still work HARD to improve their ponies and themselves at homes. Yes they want to get the points and qualify. But why is that wrong to want to show how hard they have worked? Please, someone tell me why it is wrong to use every "tool" you posses to have a happy, well trained, gorgeous horse step into that ring with a confident rider. Becaus I just don't get it

    Wow that was long, sorry, that has been bugging me for awhile. Money doesn't make a rider less of a rider. *takes deer breath*
         
        10-06-2009, 11:42 AM
      #27
    Started
    ^^ I agree ... I didn't get my first horse till I was 24 and could afford it myself BUT I did a lot of showing when I was younger and rode other people horses and had the best trainers and grooms and even though my parents couldn't afford a horse, between me working, my grandma and parents I was able to have a great time showing with the best tools.
         
        10-06-2009, 02:23 PM
      #28
    Foal
    I really do want to say thank you to all that have posted it has helped me to not only be more prepared but a little more informed. It was a good show to watch and see the trends that are around right now. When I showed apps didnt place at all this show and one before that was all that placed.
         
        10-06-2009, 04:26 PM
      #29
    Trained
    Quote:
    Wow that was long, sorry, that has been bugging me for awhile. Money doesn't make a rider less of a rider. *takes deer breath*
    Omg, did you not read ANY of my post? I made sure to say that I don't resent poeple who have things I didn't. I resent people who use money as an excuse not to put in any work, not to improve, and just collect ribbons. If you are like that? Then yes, I think it is a cop out, and I think it is unfair.
         
        10-09-2009, 10:19 PM
      #30
    Foal
    I think it depends on the barn holding the show too, some have higher standards than others. The one I went to this summer there were several girls just wearing a blouse or nice white shirt. Most of the girls also had either paddock boots and half chaps or rubber field boots (but you should at least clean them up.) However this show was during the summer, I'm pretty sure a show jacket is necessary at their shows normally but it was just too hot for anyone to wear one that day.
         

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