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post #1 of 10 Old 05-29-2013, 10:52 PM Thread Starter
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Exclamation If YOU know jumping or English I need advice

I can't say I know much about English, I've ridden western my whole life. I've heard a couple people tell me my new horse looks like an English horse and I'd like to get some people's opinions who know English.
This little girl loves to jump and her heart flies over the fences, so I think this is the road I want to take but still would like some critique and ideas here. Open to all suggestions and criticism. Feel free to criticism my second position also, I can use any advice I can get!
P.s. I will post more pics in comments my comp only lets me do one at a time and if you think a jumping video would be helpful, I can get one!!
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Cute mare. She has nice conformation and could probably do the lower levels of hunters, eventing or jumpers with the right training.

However, PLEASE find a trainer. You have a very dangerous setup there; with the curb bit, lawn chairs and no instruction. I was there years ago--a lifelong Western rider with no jumping instruction, a bareback pad with stirrups (*gasp* the horror! ) and a fantastic, compliant horse. I can't tell you how lucky I was we were never injured, and to this day I wish I had gotten proper instruction earlier.

As far as what to work on when you find an instructor, you'll most likely be doing a lot of grid work, starting with poles on the ground and moving up to cross rails, working on lengthening and shortening your horse's stride, and doing a lot of two-point at the trot without stirrups. This is something you can practice on your own to build strength in between lessons. It is HARD work, and your thighs will double in size (okay, maybe not THAT much...), but it will help you tremendously.

A word about the jumps--especially in the early stages of learning, it's really important that fences are safe and fall easily to prevent an accident. The lawn chairs are unsafe because, not only will they not allow the rails to fall, but a horse can catch a hoof between the holes if he misjudges the fence.
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post #6 of 10 Old 05-29-2013, 11:20 PM
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No advice other than wear a helmet if you're going to be jumping. I never mount without one on... let alone learning to jump! :)

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Thanks guys, and trust me I usually do wear a helmet :) but that's my problem with the trainer, I can't find an English instructor in the middle of Amish country, but trust me, I am working on that :)
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Here's the party-pooper in me first: Safety first.

Wear your helmet. Always. Double-always when jumping. All risk increases once your horse leaves the ground. If a horse doesn't jump high enough,m or you're using jumps that don't fall away easily (which you are), the horse can go down on its face, meaning if you don't have a good enough position, you fly over the top and directly onto the top of your head - pogo-stick-style.

It's really easy to build jump-standards using a 4' 4x4 and 4 2x4's at the base.
Should be no problem in Amish-country. Then you buy some cheapo jump-cups on closeout at Dover, use a 4" wooden pole, and you have a safe, super adjustable jump. Start with cross-rails, so you and your horse get used to aiming for the center. for low jumps, cross-rails, cavalettis, etc I've used a wooden pole just laid on top of a couple of chopping-blocks, so they can easily roll off if hit.

Lose the shanked bit. If your mare likes to jump, which it looks like she does, she'll quickly learn to hate it very quickly the first time you fail to give her adequate release and that bit pops her in the mouth, not to mention what would happen to her if she went down on her face with that bit.

And then on to more fun topics!

She looks fun to jump. Does she hesitate at the jumps or go right at them, like she wants to and likes to do it?

You asked about your position. Really a very good start. You're looking up and to where you want to go. Remember that. Don't look down or look at the jump as you go over. Get a trainer, and you'll go through the work described by other posters. To be more concrete, you're jumping a bit forward, and you've lost your leg. In that position, if your horse were to refuse, or stumble, you would have difficult not going over her. I know a lot of trainers actually train that style now, so I'll probably get dinged for my comments. I was taught a more stable style, where you keep your butt more over the saddle and the leg more at the girth. You'll be practicing a lot of keeping your weight down in your heel to keep your leg in position.
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I work in the medical industry, ironically i have just got off the phone with a mother of a patient who suffered a head injury coming off the back of a motorbike. He has irreversable brain damage and has a C5 SPI (spinal cord injury). If it worth it? Nope.

Please wear a hat, it isnt just 'your' head, its the time and care your family will have to give you in the event if you fall off and injury yourself, it is the life you leave behind if you do not walk away from said inury.
No offence intended, but a horse is a horse. English and wetsern are training styles, not a type of horse. YOU need instruction as you are clearly very green and exhibiting veyr dangerous and damaging practices.
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Oh dear. I just read through the entire thread and we're really kind of downers, aren't we. I don't think that was the intent.
Many of us have experienced or seen enough traumatic injuries that your picture may have compelled some of us to try to rescue you. It's because we care, not because we're mean.
Your horse is lovely (and really cute, too).
I don't think you're green. You look skilled, trained, and athletic to me. I think you may be green to jumping, which you admit. Don't be discouraged. I was well-trained and jumped a lot for about 15 years. Then no riding at all for 15 years - life, school, kids, etc. When I started jumping again, I was all "off". I'm, pretty sure I looked just like your position. I was jumping ahead and my leg was lost in space. I was unbalancing my horse, and at 43, I couldn't afford to be a hazard to myself. I found a very good instructor, and my position is back where it should be after about 2 months. I'm not heading to any grand prix jumps, mind you, but I'm now balanced and safe, and so is my horse, so we can have fun together, and that's all that matters.
I think you have a very nice horse and a great start in your riding. Get a trainer and you'll have so much fun in that moment you feel it all click!
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