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post #11 of 33 Old 08-25-2010, 03:59 PM
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At the shows over here, in show hunter pony classes for example, coloureds are aloud but there don't always do so well even is they are a good stamp. I'm not sure why, but many judges just don't reacon it as much as a full colour x
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post #12 of 33 Old 08-25-2010, 05:28 PM
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Spyder, I looked it up in google, but still confused. What's the difference between the hacking and low level dressage then?
Ridden Hack is a showing class, the horses are supposed to be quiet, well mannered and suitable for a lady to ride (usually anywhere but out hunting). The horses are ridden, then usually unsaddled and trotted up in-hand, and in some cases the judge will ride several of the horses after that. The judge will usually line up about 8 or 10 horses and each one does a little 'show' to demonstrate how well mannered the horse is.

Although I am remembering that from a show over 20 years ago!!

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post #13 of 33 Old 08-25-2010, 07:24 PM Thread Starter
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well in Australia NSW, the judges don't get on to ride your horse. Mind you, I have won a few classes on tess but when it comes to some classes, the judge just turns her head on poor Tess. She really is a nice horse, perfect gaits, and good looks. Its a shame she doesnt get noticed all the time....i don't expect to win all the time....just telling you
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It is extremly unfair... I don't get what the hole piont. Who cares what color your horse is whats the big deal???
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Fair?? Is life suddenly supposed to be fair? Sorry you're having that problem. While most hunters in my area are garden variety bay, the paints seem to do as well.

You just have to see your distance...you don't have to like it.
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Ridden Hack is a showing class, the horses are supposed to be quiet, well mannered and suitable for a lady to ride (usually anywhere but out hunting). The horses are ridden, then usually unsaddled and trotted up in-hand, and in some cases the judge will ride several of the horses after that. The judge will usually line up about 8 or 10 horses and each one does a little 'show' to demonstrate how well mannered the horse is.
Very cool! I don't think I've seen it around here (granted I went only to smaller shows).
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post #17 of 33 Old 08-25-2010, 11:42 PM
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Road hack is supposed to be more ground covering strides. Park hack (or a name close to that) is supposed to be more collected. Pleasure is inbetween the two.

Is that correct someone Sorry my question mark isnt working!
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warning! the following is one bias opinion

in australia hacking is what you'd think as a modelling contest. The horses are made up like in hand but it's only ridden. The horses go out in a circle in the "class" (eg. 14 -15 hh horse) then you will be asked to trot canter and change reins. The judge will either judge on that or will pick a few for a work out class. The work out class is like a mini dressage test (pretty sure made up somewhat on the spot) I.e trot out on the right rein, do a 20 m circle, canter a half 20m cirle, change reins do the same on the other side.....sometimes in show hunter they will ask for inhand gallop. Then each person does this then everyone is judged.
There is no rule book, you can go out in anything you like. Double bridles are even used for kids under 10 years old. You can go in any bit, any english saddle, you can had rings on, wear spurs and carry a whip. The ponies and horses are "polished" I.e very shiney and with make up and dye, usually plaited and with nice browbands.
There are judges that don't like certain types or colours of horse. They are suppose to be calm and nice but more likely then not they are highly strung. For example, I was at an ag show and was showjumping, the ring next to jumping was hacking. The hacks where going off, rearing when ribbons were near them, won't stand still and carrying on. In comparison the showjumpers were falling asleep waiting for their round.
The most common horse for hacking in usually a riding pony breed.

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ETA: corporate, we posted at the same time!

Over here hack classes would have to be one of the most popular events. Theres BIG competition. I think it originated in the UK, but now in Aus and NZ its kinda different.

You start on the 'ring' - open space marked with cones, and will walk, trot and canter at the judges discretion on a circle with the other horses in the class. Horses are to be presented well, well manered, good conformation/gaits and collected/on the bit. The judge will then pick his/her favourite 3 or 4, call them into the centre, everyone else will leave. A 'workout' is then ridden, which the judge makes up on the spot. The horse that is called in first will work out first, then the second, etc etc.

The workout will depend on the class level. (maiden, progressive, educated etc) and can involve just a simple walk, trot, canter, simple change, halt or more complicated things like a flying change, hand gallop, extended trot (or a few lenthened strides in the lower classes) etc etc.
Places are then given.

The problem with hacking is there is are no set guidelines to judge by. Its all up to the judges discretion and opinion. Because of this there can be a fair bit of descrimination sadly. I've never encountered the colour bias thing (my hackie is black) but I have heard a judge actually SAY they didnt like/wouldnt place a grey horse. (though, this was just a regular show, nothing big. Once you start going to higher shows there isnt as much of this... would probs still happen sometimes though)

Hacking is really all about the glamour. I've been out in progressive hack, my horse hadnt settled well and was so tense and wasnt working as well as he could have, looked great though! And was still placed 3rd. Then, went out into a dressage test, and got marked down so much simply because he wasnt relaxed. This was completly ignored in the hacking.

Im getting off track here

To the OP, keep at it! Keep improving, go to some dressage days (REALLY useful) Not all judges are so bias. And if you go out, ride an awesome workout, and are still market down and are placed below a less deserving horse, who cares, everyone else watching/riding has just seen what has happened and will notice.

(also, don't be afraid to ask the judge why you were placed below another horse. You can get some good feedback and the judge has to give you a reason)
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ETA: corporate, we posted at the same time!

Over here hack classes would have to be one of the most popular events. Theres BIG competition. I think it originated in the UK, but now in Aus and NZ its kinda different.

You start on the 'ring' - open space marked with cones, and will walk, trot and canter at the judges discretion on a circle with the other horses in the class. Horses are to be presented well, well manered, good conformation/gaits and collected/on the bit. The judge will then pick his/her favourite 3 or 4, call them into the centre, everyone else will leave. A 'workout' is then ridden, which the judge makes up on the spot. The horse that is called in first will work out first, then the second, etc etc.

The workout will depend on the class level. (maiden, progressive, educated etc) and can involve just a simple walk, trot, canter, simple change, halt or more complicated things like a flying change, hand gallop, extended trot (or a few lenthened strides in the lower classes) etc etc.
Places are then given.

The problem with hacking is there is are no set guidelines to judge by. Its all up to the judges discretion and opinion. Because of this there can be a fair bit of descrimination sadly. I've never encountered the colour bias thing (my hackie is black) but I have heard a judge actually SAY they didnt like/wouldnt place a grey horse. (though, this was just a regular show, nothing big. Once you start going to higher shows there isnt as much of this... would probs still happen sometimes though)

Hacking is really all about the glamour. I've been out in progressive hack, my horse hadnt settled well and was so tense and wasnt working as well as he could have, looked great though! And was still placed 3rd. Then, went out into a dressage test, and got marked down so much simply because he wasnt relaxed. This was completly ignored in the hacking.

Im getting off track here

To the OP, keep at it! Keep improving, go to some dressage days (REALLY useful) Not all judges are so bias. And if you go out, ride an awesome workout, and are still market down and are placed below a less deserving horse, who cares, everyone else watching/riding has just seen what has happened and will notice.

(also, don't be afraid to ask the judge why you were placed below another horse. You can get some good feedback and the judge has to give you a reason)
nope, I was quicker :p hahahaha
That was less bias post too by the way :)

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