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        09-19-2012, 09:21 PM
    Ok. Any ideas on hoe to do this? I can see the long stride form 2 sometimes 3 strides away, but I feel like that's not enough time to fix anything. I like this mare because at 4 years old, she can usually get ok distances- better than what my gelding gets (he launches because of stifle problems)
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        09-19-2012, 09:33 PM
    Here is a video to show you that I CAN do it, just not on her :) This is me and my gelding at our first novice about a year ago. As an eventer, I do everything I can in standing position. My gelding is really strong, so the standing position helps me control him a bit better. I was trying to stand on her which is where the "bobbing" came in. She is just in such a different balance, it's harder than I thought. Don't mind the long spots in this video- he has joint issues that make it really painful to compress for a jump.

        09-19-2012, 09:37 PM
    Yes :) I will pop on my laptop later tonight and reply to this and a few other threads so my thimbs don't turn into bloody stumps. Hahah!
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        09-19-2012, 11:59 PM
    Is this the 4 year old mare? My first concern is to take her off jumping and get her relaxed at all three gaits, moving laterally and bending through the ribcage. Right now her nose is in the air (she can't see the jump!), her back is inverted, and she doesn't know where her legs are supposed to be. You will really start to be able to sit and ride her better when she RELAXES. I think she'd do really well coming off jumping for 6 months to a year and getting to learn the basics, solidly.
    That's how I got into dressage. I started having problems with my (then) mare rushing the fences and finding distances when we reached about 3'. We stopped jumping completely for almost a year, and MAN what a difference! We were black and white different from pre-dressage training.
    Anyways. Finding distances.
    To get a good bascule over the fence, you want to take off and form a perfect arc over the fence, and land the equal distance away from the fence on the other side. This arc should be equal on either side, with the top of the arc directly over the fence. If you are too far out, (i.e. Jumping "long") then the horse will flatten out over the fence and land too short on the other stride. The opposite is when the horse gets too close in to the jump (i.e. "chipping" the fence) and then has to pop up higher in front of the fence to clear it, think deer hop, and ends up landing either too close in to the base on the other side, or too far out.
    Okay, so start out with a line that is exactly five strides apart. Ride that line and feel what it feels like without worrying about distance.. worry about your position, but let her figure it out at first. See what she does. Then try and get 5 strides in, and see what it takes to do so. What you want is the horse to take 5 equal strides between the two jumps. You want to find the line in front of the jump that allows the horse to jump with a smooth, equal arc over the jump. Take a moment on the ground to LOOK at the jump and see where that would be. Position the top of the arc over the middle of the jump, and see where that equal arc looks like on either side of the jump. Draw a physical line if you want to.
    Now ride that 5 stride and visualize the point you picked out, and ask the horse to jump when you want it to take off, not when it wants to take off. That means controlling the stride right to the base of the jump, and staying with her throughout the entire line. Ride that until you get an equal 5 strides. Then play around. Squeeze down to 6 strides, lengthen out to 4 strides, see what it takes to get the horse to jump at that line that you've imagined.
    Did that help at all? Do you need more explanation?
        09-20-2012, 12:01 AM
    Check out this video, too :)

        09-20-2012, 06:46 AM
    Thank you so much! That helped so much. I haven't jumped at all this week and we have been working on relaxing. I got her stretching into the bridle and you could actually see (from the ground) her back moving and swinging. She gets a little distracted sometimes and ten I have to do a circle to get her back, but it's a huge difference. I also started leg yields and she did it the first try both directions. Wierd mare- I can't get her to yield her shoulders on the ground, but it's no problem when I'm riding her... I have a combined test this weekend (18 inches division), but after that, I'm going to really focus on dressage. The problem with me is that I need a constant flow of things to work on. Once I get a good day where she does what I want, then I say "This is easy, lets go do something more fun... like jumping". To me dressage is actually quite boring As an eventer I KNOW I need to do it, but it's just more fun to jump sometimes. After I get her relaxed, on the bit, and a little slower, what else is there to work on? I can do leg yields/half passes and shoulder/haunches in, but apart form that- I don't know how to ask for extended/collected.
        09-20-2012, 09:11 AM
    She looks very unbalanced in her canter. It looks like she's having trouble keeping her right lead in her hind as she canters. I would back off the jumps and get her really good on the flat and over ground poles before jumping her again.
        09-20-2012, 09:28 AM
    You said you don't know how to ask for extended/collected. Does she know how to "rate"? Meaning does she know how to listen to your body for speeding up and mostly slowing down? Barrel racers use this as they are coming into the turn of the barrel. This might help you to help her with getting her head down as you wont be having to control her speed as much with the reins.
    It's pushing them forward with your hips and core, touching down lightly on the saddle, or relaxing your hips and core and sitting deep to let them know to slow. Don't let your shoulders slump. Try not to let the rating be visible to someone on the ground. This will help in dressage for that extended walk.
        09-20-2012, 03:21 PM
    I'll try the extended/collected gaits tomorrow when I ride her. She does listen really well to a pushing seat and a little squeeze with my knees-she slows down. I've been trying to figure out why she keeps cross firing on the right lead canter, but I've decided she just needs more muscle work, so lots of hills. She's only been doing the right lead since january, so she still needs practice. I'm worried about not letting her jump for several months, because I don't want her to get out of practice. I don't really want to start over from the beginning in a few months.
        09-20-2012, 03:36 PM
    If you do pole work and get her strong it will not be like starting over, don't worry !

    I do an exercise with my mare nearly every ride at the trot before I canter. I find a place in the arena and get her super collected for just a few strides, then I ask her to lengthen for a few strides, then collect for a few strides, then I ask for canter. This way I have her really off my leg and between my aids at the trot and when she's in that work mode I introduce the canter.
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