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post #1 of 15 Old 10-05-2011, 06:15 PM Thread Starter
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UGH! I'm riding this 'green' horse and I have to use leg for EVERYTHING!!! At least he moves off my leg well, only problem is he doesn't so much like to STOP or slow down once going. So I have to half halt half halt half halt in addition to using reigns. He likes to bow his shoulder out on certain turns so I have to use outside leg to keep him 'in'...but he also likes to cut in and look to the outside, so inside leg to keep him bent to the inside. I tell you what...I am getting a SERIOUS work-out everytime I ride!!
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post #2 of 15 Old 10-05-2011, 06:18 PM
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Sounds like balance problems and he is going crooked.

All the half halts in the world will not help if you are doing them incorrectly or at the WRONG TIMING !!!
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post #3 of 15 Old 10-05-2011, 06:37 PM
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Rottenweiler, I have thebexact...and I mean it...issue with my 5 year old treakaner/thoroughbred cross. He's extremely green! We have gotten much better.
I have found that even though it is ugly it gets them to stop bulging through the shoulder is to lift straight up like to the sky or ceiling with the rein of the same side they bulge out from!barter a few times they figure out it's not a fun game anymore and they still have to work! Lol
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post #4 of 15 Old 10-05-2011, 07:24 PM Thread Starter
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It's frustrating because it's like he is figuring ME out. He has figured out he can throw his head down at the canter and it causes me to fall forward and lose my leg. My instructor says 'don't let him get away with that every time he does it squeeze him forward with your leg!' I think a LOT of the problem is the bridle. The first time I rode him I used the trainers bridle, because she told me to. Sunday and today I used his own bridle. His owner is under the misconception that he is a PERFECT horse - she's selling him for $7500 and no one is even looking. Anyway, so HIS bridle is a nice light D ring snaffle. The instructor says he has a 'hard mouth' and that bit is probably like air to him. So I will go back to using the trainers bridle...not sure what kind of bit that has on it I've never seen one like it before. He is a very well balanced horse, its even hard to tell on him whether he has the correct lead at the canter or not because he is SO balanced. He just figured out that I got flustered when he would bow out and drift and then he could throw his head down and be done with what I was asking him to do
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post #5 of 15 Old 10-06-2011, 05:33 PM Thread Starter
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I have to laugh a little though. Usually when I'm riding I don't notice the other riders at all but the other day when I was riding and the horse was being a PUNK, I noticed any nearby riders were watching and smiling...almost laughing. As if they were saying "Oh yeah been there done that" or "Oh that looks like fun...not" ha ha ha
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post #6 of 15 Old 10-06-2011, 05:54 PM
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You could try using a crop to tap the bulging shoulder. I tried it once with my mare that does it and she kinda stoped.

Horses are scared of two things... Things that move and things that don't.
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post #7 of 15 Old 10-10-2011, 11:08 AM
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Yup, sounds like he isn't too balanced yet. That's why he is throwing his head down at the canter, bulging out, not bending correctly. I really don't think it's a bridle issue. It's just because he is a green horse and is still learning. The more you ride him the better he'll be, just be patient.

You should do a lot of circles, figure eights, and transitions.
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post #8 of 15 Old 10-11-2011, 02:53 AM
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I agree, but balance comes with time and work, so don't get too disheartened!
Also, when you're working in a trot, and he's moving too far away from you, slow the rythm with either you're rising, or your hips when sitting. It feels weird, but its better than having to use the reins. The half halts you use, make them soft and use them with your hips, or even use your voice so he realises, ah, so thats what it is!

Some people have the misconception that green horses may be a tad on the naughty side, however if he believes this is the correct way to go, he'll do it... leg is also very important for a green horse, be thankful you're only having to use leg though... and you'll have great muscles in no time!

If he's escaping through an outside shoulder, bring your outside hand lower, and use your half halts and outside leg to stop him. When you do this, keep the contact with the inside rein, but you don't have to use it, just focus on getting that shoulder in line. Duffy used to be a burger for putting me into the wall of the school! This helped me loads.

Work on circles, single and three loop serpentines, and transitions are so important! Walk to halt, walk to halt... when you get that correctly, trot to walk, trot to halt, then canter to trot/walk/halt will follow in time. Get the basics sorted, and then move on.

Also in the canter, if he throws his head down, and is trying to snatch the reins, my only suggestion would be.. wait for it.. leg. Even if its a pony club kick, if he learns to pull the reins and his head down, you have a problem as he'll start to use it as his fifth leg.

Because he's smooth in a canter/counter canter doesn't always mean he is well balanced, canter is a lot easier for a horse than trot.. because they're going places. If he's drifting in a canter, put your outside leg further back, and more weight in to the inside stirrup.

Personally, I would keep the snaffle in him, and keep the work up. He may be hard mouthed, or he might just not know what to do with it.

Also, ride on the second track of your school. If you ride a green horse on the outside track, he'll use the school walls to balance himself.

Hope this helps!
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post #9 of 15 Old 10-14-2011, 06:24 PM Thread Starter
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Well there's no 'track' just a field that we all ride in different parts of. He has a tendency to drift in the corners that lead to the barns (there's a back barn where he is kept and a front barn where he is tacked up and washed and all that). Thanks for explaining that outside reign thing...my instructor has tried to explain it to me but my brain didn't quite understand 'use outside reign to get him to turn to the inside??What??' She's always saying 'keep the outside reign against his neck!' She has also suggested that I use a leading reign to turn him - and also I need to 'start planning' way before I'm actually going into the turn because I am waiting until I'm going into the turn and having to over-correct. One thing though...my instructor is away this week and there is a 'fill in' running the barn and doing lessons. I told her about him throwing his head down at the canter with me and that I thought maybe he needed to see a chiropractor and get an adjustment. She agreed that he seemed a little stiff in the neck...but THEN, like on sunday, I couldn't get him to pick up his left lead. This is the one that's supposed to be 'easier' for him to get. Sunday I had to fight for it and wednesday in my lesson I was having to fight for it. The 'but then' part comes here...when I was fighting for him to pick up the left lead all of a sudden he stumbled out of nowhere - at the trot wayy before he even was going to pick up the canter - and actually fell down on his front knees. there wasn't anything there for him to trip over and we had ridden over and over that area for my whole lesson...so that makes me think even MORE that he is a little 'off' somewhere. Thoughts?
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post #10 of 15 Old 10-15-2011, 10:24 AM
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hahaha I know EXACTLY how you feel, rottenweiler. I just started riding a greenie...it's interesting. The first time I rode him, he bucked so much we actually kicked the arena wall twice :o I could NOT get him to circle at the canter without stalling out and/or bucking.

I've ridden him a couple times now and it is a LOT of leg to get him to do what I want...I got spoiled with all of the school horses I was riding so this is certainly a wake up call, lol. But hey - we jumped a 2' course and a few 2'6" single fences so I'm happy :p He's super bad about getting his left lead, though. I'm slowly figuring out when/how to ask him. And flying changes...welp. I almost came off during one last night hahaha

But anyways...I know how you feel. I usually don't get sore after riding but I'll wake up after a lesson on Bling and my thighs are BURNING lol. Good luck with him!

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