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        06-04-2011, 02:30 AM
      #21
    Trained
    Remember - horses reflect 100% of what we do in the saddle, and regardless of what any school horse has been allowed to get away with, they know a good rider on them, when they meet them.

    They know, that the rider who gets on them, can and cannot do - and if that ride is going to be easy peasy for them, or they'd better get on it and get it done. They aren't stupid.

    Stop blaming the lesson horses for being taught incorrectly, and start looking at the holes in your training, for the reason why you are getting the results you are getting.


    As taught by Ian Millar - "A good rider blames themselves, and a poor rider blames the horse."
         
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        06-04-2011, 09:38 AM
      #22
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MIEventer    
    Remember - horses reflect 100% of what we do in the saddle, and regardless of what any school horse has been allowed to get away with, they know a good rider on them, when they meet them.

    They know, that the rider who gets on them, can and cannot do - and if that ride is going to be easy peasy for them, or they'd better get on it and get it done. They aren't stupid.

    Stop blaming the lesson horses for being taught incorrectly, and start looking at the holes in your training, for the reason why you are getting the results you are getting.


    As taught by Ian Millar - "A good rider blames themselves, and a poor rider blames the horse."
    Excuse me?!? I'm actually rather insulted. Are you calling me a poor rider? For your information, I've seen many people get on that horse, even advanced riders, and she hasn't give any of them a good canter. But she's given me a better canter than what she's done for them. You want me to look at the reasons that I am getting the results I'm getting? Okay, I'll look into the reasons why she gives me a better ride than she gives them.

    I don't use a crop and spurs, because she hates them. I believe in working with the horse and not against her. I don't treat her like she's just a stubborn mule like most people, I actually give her a chance. And most of all, I DON'T just blame her! I don't just think, I know that she has been trained incorrectly, but that's not her fault. I'm not just going to settle for that. I posted this question because I need to change my riding to get a better canter out of her.

    It's true - horses are not stupid. When I get on Holiday, she knows she needs to work. She tries very hard. She's sweet and honest. But when she canters, she's unsteady, like she doesn't know if she should trot or canter. I see her do this for everyone, because no matter how clear your cues are, she just doesn't know. Maybe it's my fault, that's true. But if it's my fault, I want to know how to fix it.

    I am perfectly willing to admit that there are some things that I should change about my riding. I'm not a perfect rider. I know that. But I also know that it's not 100% my fault, as you seem to think. It's both of ours - mine and the horse - and we need to work together to figure it out.

    So if the reason she doesn't give me an amazing canter is because I have big holes in my training, then in that case everyone who has ridden her has big holes in their training. You can ask anyone who's ridden that pony, and they'll all tell you the same thing.

    I'm so sick of this. I posted this thread because I wanted legit answers, and all I'm getting is arguements. You guys are treating me like I'm some kind of troll! There are a few people who actually gave me good advice, and thank you to those who did. But most people just argued with me. I didn't mean to start an arguement, I just wanted advice! Can't you respect that?
         
        06-04-2011, 10:44 AM
      #23
    Banned
    Why don't you get a video of you riding this horse so we have a better understanding of what you are and are not doing.

    It is very hard to give assessments when we have only a description and can't see things you may not even be aware of.
         
        06-04-2011, 12:23 PM
      #24
    Trained
    Yep, lets see a video of you riding. That way we can decipher what exactly is going on.
         
        06-04-2011, 05:28 PM
      #25
    Foal
    Eek. Sorry but I can't post any videos online. However, I can get some pictures after my next lesson. Would that help?
         
        06-04-2011, 05:30 PM
      #26
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RideroftheWind    
    Eek. Sorry but I can't post any videos online. However, I can get some pictures after my next lesson. Would that help?

    Yes please post pictures if you can't do a video. The more pictures you post the easier it may be.
         
        06-04-2011, 11:18 PM
      #27
    Foal
    Oh, bad news... I just found out that my next lesson is cancelled. It'll be a while before I can get any pictures or videos of me on that specific pony. However, I do have some of me on other horses. They're only from a couple weeks ago. Can you look at them anyways, and see if there's any obvious errors that I'm making that might affect how I'm doing on Holiday? Thanks. (and sorry for the bad quality)

    This first one is on a bit of an angle. It's just at a walk, so you can see my overall position.



    This one, too, is just at a walk. It was at a show. I know one of my hands is back, that's because I was turning (or about to, anyways). And yes, I noticed that my heel came up, so you don't need to point that out. :)




    Okay, I lied. I do have videos. I managed to dig them up, so here they are. This one is of a simple canter. I know it looks like my back is slumped, but I was wearing a heavy jacket that covered my back. I can assure you, my back was not actually that rounded.

    cam515.mp4 video by sandstorm8922 - Photobucket

    This one's just at a trot. I'm not sure if it'll be much help, but you might pick something out of it. Again, my jacket makes my back look very rounded, even though it was not (I always make a point to put a tiny arch in my back while riding). It makes me cringe just to see how bad it looks...

    cam505.mp4 video by sandstorm8922 - Photobucket

    This is the last video. It's just a very tiny little jump, since we were just warming up. I don't think you can see much, but if you can, please critique.

    cam527.mp4 video by sandstorm8922 - Photobucket

    I know the videos are short and hard to see, but right now they're the best I've got. I'd appreciate any advice. Thanks!
         
        06-05-2011, 01:01 AM
      #28
    Banned
    My post 10 is somewhat on the mark.

    You are a passenger and while you have your lower leg on, your upper body is "just going along with the horse". You are in effect being a passenger.

    Your seat is very loose and what should be your most important riding aid ( the seat) just isn't there. In the picture you posted re pulling your arm in, well you should not be turning a horse on a direct rein unless the rider is a rank beginner or the horse is.

    The connection via the rein contact is inconsistent and it seems other than giving the horse the odd "correction" ( the end of the jumping video) or as in the other videos a slight tug here and there, the horse is pretty well just doing his thing and you are happily going along.
         
        06-05-2011, 04:23 AM
      #29
    Super Moderator
    I think that is a rather harsh assessment . It's hard to see much detail in the videos, such as your hands or whether your leg is on or not.
    I see a fairly nicely balanced hunter rider and a very nice school horse. I dont' see any obvious rider behaviors that I would say are clearly why the pony won't sustain a canter. She may not be actively affecting the horse at all times, but she certainly isn't interfering with it at all.
         
        06-05-2011, 10:22 AM
      #30
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spyder    
    My post 10 is somewhat on the mark.

    You are a passenger and while you have your lower leg on, your upper body is "just going along with the horse". You are in effect being a passenger.

    Your seat is very loose and what should be your most important riding aid ( the seat) just isn't there. In the picture you posted re pulling your arm in, well you should not be turning a horse on a direct rein unless the rider is a rank beginner or the horse is.

    The connection via the rein contact is inconsistent and it seems other than giving the horse the odd "correction" ( the end of the jumping video) or as in the other videos a slight tug here and there, the horse is pretty well just doing his thing and you are happily going along.
    Thanks for the feedback. But what do you mean by 'my seat is loose'? I'm not really understanding.

    Also, another thing about your critique did not make sense to me. In the second paragraph you told me that I shouldn't use my reins as much. In the third paragraph you told me I should use them more. I though the rider has to have only slight signals, to keep them invisible...

    Another thing is, I've heard that an experianced rider can sit on the horse and not look like they're doing anything, but still have complete control. Though I'm not sure that's the case with me, I know that it would be nearly impossible to simply be a 'passenger' on that horse. She tends to either be slow, lazy and stubborn or acting like an excited racehorse. Finding a happy medium is the job of the rider, and it's not an easy one. (You can tell that she's paying attention to the rider if you look at her ears. One of them is aways flicked back and listening to me.)

    I'm not saying that your critique was wrong, I just don't really understand. Please explain? Thanks.
         

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