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  • Horse goes from left to right when riding without me doing it

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    08-05-2008, 12:39 PM
Is it me or the horse

I moved this cause I realized it was in the wrong spot...
Im not even sure if this is the right spot but oh well..

Ok so I went back over to that natural horsemanship ladys house..
This time the horse and I (whos a 20+ year old tb) did a little better.
I could keep him in a trot and canter abit better.
Well actually I lied.
We started trotting and hed do it ok then once we cantered that's all he wanted to do..
The horse just acts so confused alot of the time and it might be me sending it mixed signals cause I got the lady trying to show me the NH way and its alot diff than I ever rode...Shes telling me to do alllllll these things which alot of it goes against what I was taught..
Ok I made a diagram to show whats happening (ya Im that big of a loser! Lol)

(the green stuff is the trees)

Ok she tells me to correct the horse when its going a diff way to slide my hand down one side of the rain and bring it in. Good. That's what I was taught too. Make a circle.
Well I have that horses nose to my foot and have me heel deep in its side and its still going the way its wants..
My face is all scratched up cause the branches on the trees lay so low I have to put my head on the horses rump and am still getting caught up on the branches. This doesnt feel good!!
They ladys just keeps saying
'Hes just being a horse'
'Oh he's just playing with you'
'Oh he's just testing you to see if you got what it takes to ride him'
Well personally I think its really rude of the horse and I think he's trying to rub me off of him.
I can try to stop the horse before we get to the trees but he wont. Flat out wont.
There is only so much I can do once I get in the trees If I don't want to poke my eyes out or get knocked off by a branch.

She doesnt want to go up to the arena up the rode cause they don't keep it up..(drag it)
But I went up there right before I went to the ladys and it looked just fine to me!

Im just not sure what to do..
Does this sound like a problem with me riding??
Does this sound like the horse doing what the horse wants to do??

Any tips?
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    08-05-2008, 03:47 PM
I would wonder why she'd want you to ride a horse your not used to using a style your not used to out in the open? Seems to me you should really be in an arena or an enclosed area. If the horse doesnt understand the signals and you don't know them how can it go well?
    08-05-2008, 04:13 PM
Green Broke
Hm, pretty hard to know what's going on without seeing you guys ride!

I'm thinking it's a combination of the horse doing what it wants, and you not taking the correct steps to fix it. What does the horse do if you ride it the way you've been taught before, the non NH way? And just curious, what constitutes "NH" riding? (I mean, how is it different from anything else?)

Generally for 'bulging' (when you try to turn and the horse turns his nose but keeps going straight, leading with his shoulder) I try and use more outside aids. So if you're turning to the right, I would use my left rein and left leg to turn, and my right rein would open a little to allow him to go right. Make sure that you're opening your inside hand, not pulling back. Make sure he is in front of your leg going forward. If you do any dressage at all, turns on the haunches (or anything that moves his shoulders around) are a great exercise.
    08-05-2008, 04:25 PM
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...I think.... I don't know how much experience you have but I'm thinking... some of it is you, some of it is him... and I have a feeling that lady is not nearly as knowledgable as she lets on and the reason she has you riding her horse is so that you can work all the issues out of it because she can't do any better...

I know that's a heck of an assumption to make but speaking from experience... I would bet that's the deal... have you seen this lady ride???
    08-05-2008, 09:12 PM
NH is natural horsemanship..

No I've never seen her ride...
She's says she needs me to ride cause she's busy training her other horse..
    08-05-2008, 09:48 PM
Green Broke
Right, but how is NH riding different then any other riding?
    08-06-2008, 07:05 AM
Umm hmm let me see if I can describe it right cause Im still kinda learning what it is myself...

Natural Horsemanship people try and communicate with the horse the way another horse would. They use rope bridals and believe that if you can't ride on a horse bareback with a rope bridal and a lead rope than you have no business on a horse. I notice when she's warming him up she does it alot like lunging but when she calls him to the middle she rubs him down with the rope.
Like I heard her mention Pirelli training...
If you might know what that is??
I believe if its done right than it can be a beautiful thing BUT like a post above...
I think the ladys doesnt know as much as she's letting on.
    08-06-2008, 09:46 AM
Super Moderator
I'm not a parelli fan but I believe tons of members in this forum are, they might be better to help you, but my thinking is... she's using you to train her horse and it's not as well trained as she's letting on... just my thoughts.
    08-06-2008, 10:34 AM
I hope its that cause if its my riding...
Ya know??
I've had many years under instructed saddle so I feel as if I should know a thing or two..

Im just hoping its cause the horse hasnt been ridden in MONTHS
I just don't understand why she wont let me ride in a pasture with no trees
    08-06-2008, 11:30 AM
Can I just say kudos to you for not immediately assuming that the horse was at fault, but for considering what you could both be doing wrong? I think it's great that you're recognising that there are different ways of riding (some with less credibility, admittedly) and that you're not picking one cause and ignoring all other possibilities. I'm sure that if you keep up with this attitude, investigating all the possible causes, you'll soon work out what's going on and be able to fix things with a minimum of fuss!

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