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post #31 of 72 Old 01-12-2009, 11:31 PM
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exactly, but I can care less about dressage so I therefore am not biased. It makes no difference to me whether it exist or does not.

I never made an argument whether the op was correct, incorrect in my opinion in no way, just made a mere observation.
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This will probably get deleted... but I personally have a beef with ignorance :)


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Ignorance or stupidity?

Everyone is ignorant to an extent, stupidity on the other hand is completely different. :)

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It would be most appreciated it folks would choose not to post on threads when they have nothing to offer to the current topic other than short comments that will likely exacerbate an already hot topic as the remark regarding ones "bias" to a certain discipline has done. Debates are always a great tool for collecting information and forming an opinion. Let's get this show back on track, shall we?

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You're right, I apologize for making an observation. Now I must go and try to catch my breath from reading that incredibly long sentence.

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there is no absolute in this. I think dressage is the basis for most all types of disciplines in riding be it western or english, etc. As a tiny kid our teacher made us do dressage (okay trot to a from k or whatever) but point is dressage is many things. Both my sister and mom compete in dressage. They are of the classical variety and there is much debate in dressage circles. The one thing I do notice is dressage horses as they move up the levels often getting "burnt out." To me that indicates a need for a break/variety or that particular horse just wasn't meant for that level of dressage. I am sure there are horror training stories for every discipline. I for one get a little nutty when watching the desensitizing videos. I agree its got positives but anything including dressage taken to extremes with the wrong horse can be negative.

I don't think its just dressage vs. the rest of the riding world thing.
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I agree w/ lovemyponies. Especially the part about horses getting burned out, which is true in all disciplines. I feel it's important to give breaks and do other things such as trail rides. To give the horse a chance to rest it's mind.....

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[quote=~*~anebel~*~;228281]OK, first of all just because SOME riders abuse their horses does not mean ALL riders in the discipline do. This does not make it a "bad discipline" because some riders choose to train improperly.quote]

I agree with this 110%. One or two bad apples doesn't spoil the whole barrel! Judge the rider/trainer, not the discipline.

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Hmmmmm the above movements range from training to level 3.....do you know what level you were riding?
No idea, this was all on school horses. Admittedly, not all the horses could do flying changes and most of us weren't very successful with the working paces. I happened to be riding a horse that had been leased at the time and he was quite good. All the horses were taught shoulder-in (on the rail). I did do a pony club dressage test once but I don't remember what level it was... the lowest I think.

Re jumping... I didn't say that there's nothing more to jumping than clearing fences, I said that clearing fences was the goal of it. The goal of dressage is much more complicated than that.
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You know, it's not just dressage, this happens in all disciplines and I see this all too much where people want results, and they want them NOW. They will move faster than the horse is able to, and will use whatever gadgets necessary to get there. My OTTB jumper I started in dressage (I make anyone that trains with me show training level before they are allowed to show jumpers) and we spend the entire first full year I owned him not cantering under saddle. Trot trot and more trot and people thought I was crazy. When we DID canter, it was awesome b/c he was balanced and supple and conditioned and trained properly and that made a huge difference.

So many other people though would have just put on draw reins and gadgets and cantered til he got it "right". Not that I'm against draw reins or training aids either but I DO believe that training MUST include proper muscling and work to support the mental discipline that you are teaching the horse. Shortcuts often end up with false frames and improper carriage.

Dressage is just one of the many disciplines that uses a shortcut as a means to an end, and unfortunately as long as judges reward it, it will continue.

Interesting video for those of you who DO understand dressage and the importance of partnership training and the fundamentals started by Xenophon ages ago as opposed to so many of the shortcuts out there today:

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