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        01-15-2009, 08:18 PM
      #51
    Showing
    I honestly believe that there SHOULD be a restriction in place... you should have to get a 75% or better in that level you're in before advancing.

    My opinion... :P
         
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        01-15-2009, 09:35 PM
      #52
    Started
    I've been reading this thread with quite a bit of interest... and decided I am glad to some extent that I haven't really bothered with the showing world. Too much corruption. Not to say that there aren't some fantastic people out there. I really liked Andreas Helgstrand on Blu Hors Matine... anyone familiar with them? They are amazing... but Anky is practically labelled the Queen of Dressage and it appears that her victories go unquestioned. >_<

    I am definitely a firm believer that dressage does any and every horse good, as long as they're trained at their own comfortable pace. I ride dressage for fun, and it IS a ton of fun. My pony started off bitter and burnt out with the whole riding thing when I got her. She'd dump a rider in a second if they weren't paying attention. Now after my dressage lessons I ride around with two fingers wrapped around the buckle of the reins directing her purely through my seat and legs. Amazing what you can do without touching the bit once!
         
        01-16-2009, 01:28 AM
      #53
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spyder    

    As far as when you move up, well it is your decision. It depends on tha score and reason why the horse is doing well or not so well at one level.
    Yes, I know that. It seems most common for horses to move up a level once they've hit high 60s or low 70s, depending on level, horse, and level of rider (amateur vs. pro).

    I wish the USDF would have stuck with their decision to require certain scores before moving up, at least for the pros. It would have encouraged taking a horse more slowly through ALL levels, instead of leap-frogging like many pros like to do with their horses.
         
        01-23-2009, 04:16 PM
      #54
    Foal
    @KGimages
    Quote:
    Jumpingriders are as worse!(International ones, especially german!).
    That is correct, in our horse magazines on it is lately increased reported. Proceed over the bad conditions in the training stables and all this with bad methods.

    The topic is already very interesting, with us in Germany on it is largely reported, but something does not do. The judges are also evil authors, since they support this riding. But catches with us already in the lower classes on… There one has hardly chances, if one rides dear and nicely against the hard and brutal riders!

    Pull in the horse muzzle, with us one " Riegeln" called, mutually left and right pull and that constantly. Does it give with you also?
         
        01-23-2009, 04:58 PM
      #55
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Eolith    
    I am definitely a firm believer that dressage does any and every horse good, as long as they're trained at their own comfortable pace. I ride dressage for fun, and it IS a ton of fun. My pony started off bitter and burnt out with the whole riding thing when I got her. She'd dump a rider in a second if they weren't paying attention. Now after my dressage lessons I ride around with two fingers wrapped around the buckle of the reins directing her purely through my seat and legs. Amazing what you can do without touching the bit once!
    As do I believe in that. However I have no desire to look like the upper riders on my horses, and don't really pay attention to their awful methods and ways of riding. I choose to ride for my horses' happiness under saddle primarily and then to help them be the best horse they can be. I'm a pure example of not being selfish and forcing a lifestyle on my horses... as I sold a mare who preferred to jump over dressage, and my gelding who has the talent to be a dressage/show horse has recently learnt to jump and likes the bigger heights and Mummy can barely go over a pole off the ground So he is also for sale. Despite being the most talented horse I own, and my baby. I'm lucky to have a mare who loves to learn, loves to try her heart out and loves the flatwork we do now.
    It's about the horse to me... if we do well out and about that's only a bonus.
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        01-23-2009, 05:11 PM
      #56
    Weanling
    Dressage is supposed to be simply about control for horse and rider. The rider is supposed to learn body control and through his or her aides, teach the horse to respond to the slightest change. This is supposed to be true all the way to the top levels. No movement ever asked for is outside of what a horse is capable of performing naturally on his own. The issues arise when a trainer decides to rush the process and teach the tricks instead of training the horse to respond to where he is being asked to put his body.
    Ideally, your hands, legs and seat should be able to put your horse into whatever frame you want him in, adjust his level of elevation, his speed, his gait and anything else that you need to tell him. The reason some trainers will jump the levels so quickly is that they have short changed the training somewhere and know that if they stay at one level too long, this will start to show through.
         
        01-23-2009, 06:03 PM
      #57
    Weanling
    It's nice to hear this, PonyBoy. I too like dressage, but only for fun and bonding with my horse. I did think about competing and such, but after being around some snooty dressage folk in my area, I got turned off. This one lady had this 10 yr old WB that she rode in clinics. They were working this horse REALLY hard and this horse looked as if she hadn't been working with him much before the clinic (he looked out of shape and the clinician made a comment about it, but continued gruelling work anyways). Spurs/double bridle/1 stick on each side. The horse was made to do flying lead changes more than 20 times. I felt my stomach hurt. The next day, I heard from someone that the horse reared up and fell backwards on her and they blamed the horse and are sending him away to be sold :( Very sad. I know there are good dressage competitors out there, but they are diamond in the rough.

    This one lady I took one lesson with (to try her out) said that the dressge judge told her that she was not ready for 3rd level, and that she should remain at 2nd. She shook her head and said she didn't care what that judge said and that she was going to continue with her horse up the levels. That was a red flag for me, and hence never went back.
         
        01-23-2009, 07:31 PM
      #58
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PiggyPablo    
    1 stick on each side.
    I ride with a whip on each side and it has NOTHING to do with abuse. The whip properly used is the extension of the leg. If a correction is required on the right side of the horse and the whip is on the riders left it is unfair to the horse to make a correction several steps later after moving the whip to the right side.

    In a normal session to ask for lead changes 20 times or more is normal and not abusive. The beef I have is with those that make statements about ANY discipline without knowing the nuances of that discipline.
         
        01-23-2009, 07:35 PM
      #59
    Weanling
    Spyder, this lady's horse was not ready for all of that and she was being careless with her aids, she wasn't ready to be using all that equipment is all.
         
        01-24-2009, 01:31 PM
      #60
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
    I honestly believe that there SHOULD be a restriction in place... you should have to get a 75% or better in that level you're in before advancing.

    My opinion... :P
    No one would ever get to Grand Prix, and abusive methods would be used in lower and lower levels in order to artificially inflate scores. Judges would also start getting paid off at lower and lower levels.
    It is the pursuit of a very high score that has corrupted dressage in the first place, implementing a minimum required score so high would just bring that corruption right down to grass roots.
    Also, if there were a required score of 75% to move up a level, I would simply not show, along with many other people in my community. We don't have access to the world class trainers, or sponsorship that some areas do and so the entire dressage community would shut down.
    I have an average in the high 60s at first level and am doing second this year because doing first level again would be unfair considering I was champion all last year. And my horse is also ready to do second level. I am not forcing the horse up a level just because I haven't got a 75% at first, he is ready for the jump up.

    Also: I know a girl who has gotten a 75% at first level because she was the first ride of the show, and there was mud nearly up to her horse's knees in the ring. The judge was throwing points at her. The rest of the show, and at all the other shows she's done her scores have been in the low to mid 50s. The one test that she did get a really good score was a statistical anomaly. And if she did move up to second level because "oh my horse got a 75%" she would probably get 40% consistently.

    I don't do dressage for fun, and I don't do dressage solely to compete. I do dressage because I like it as a sport. The only reason I show is so that when one day I'm showing at a CDI level I'm not going to be all jitters and nerves. I also show so that I can get my scores for judging levels and eventually be an FEI judge.
         

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