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post #61 of 72 Old 01-24-2009, 01:09 PM
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I honestly believe that there SHOULD be a restriction in place... you should have to get a 75% or better in that level you're in before advancing.

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Just read this and this is what dressage is NOT about. Dressage is the bettering of ANY horse within its own capabilities.

Most horses will never make Grand Prix. Many horses can do GP but probably will not to National or International competieion standards. The above statement is saying as far as I can see "don't bother with dressage because unless you have the very best horse you will never go anywhere"

Dressage is about making the horse as good as it can be and if it can only do 3/4rd level at local shows then so what. To say that horse does not have the right to go as far as it can WHERE EVER it can is destroying the very message of dressage.

It is for the above reason ( everyone should be able to go as far as they can where ever they can) is the reason the USDF reversed their decisions.

I would rather promote dressage than restrict it.
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The only way to eliminate the abusive training would be to train judges to better see when a horse is not relaxed and on the riders aides. A horse that is abusively trained is not going to get in sync with his rider the way that a horse who has been brought along at his own pace through proper conditioning and effective riding. There should be more focus on movements that show a horses willingness to relax into the riders hands and seat in higher levels than first or second. You cannot fake an alert, relaxed and willing horse and there are judges who are capable of seeing the difference. There just needs to be more of them.
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Guess no matter how flat you make a pancake you always have 2 sides. Let's please remember that these are just OPINIONS of the people that posted them.

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Only read the first post coz this thread is long.. hehe

But I totally agree with poster number 1.. i have now started classical dressage lessons where one week I will do a ridden lesson on her horse, the next will be an inhand lesson so I can then train my own pony the same way. My first lesson is the week after next and I am super excited to be able to try such an amaziong way of dressage!!!
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The only way to eliminate the abusive training would be to train judges to better see when a horse is not relaxed and on the riders aides. A horse that is abusively trained is not going to get in sync with his rider the way that a horse who has been brought along at his own pace through proper conditioning and effective riding. There should be more focus on movements that show a horses willingness to relax into the riders hands and seat in higher levels than first or second. You cannot fake an alert, relaxed and willing horse and there are judges who are capable of seeing the difference. There just needs to be more of them.
All judges at the level where they are judging the world cup, or the Olympics have a very high level of qualification and are really really well trained. They judge as a job. It is not easy for "just anyone" to judge dressage. In order to judge FEI, you also need to have scores at Grand Prix level.
This should keep out "inexperience". And for the most part does. The problem is politics. There are unwritten rules to judging dressage, like who you place and where you place them. There are also many judges in the world (I'd say over 50%) that can be paid off. How do you think Debbie and Brentina pulled off an 85% at an Olympic qualifier to push a "new" rider and horse off the US team??
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All judges at the level where they are judging the world cup, or the Olympics have a very high level of qualification and are really really well trained. They judge as a job. It is not easy for "just anyone" to judge dressage. In order to judge FEI, you also need to have scores at Grand Prix level.
This should keep out "inexperience". And for the most part does. The problem is politics. There are unwritten rules to judging dressage, like who you place and where you place them. There are also many judges in the world (I'd say over 50%) that can be paid off. How do you think Debbie and Brentina pulled off an 85% at an Olympic qualifier to push a "new" rider and horse off the US team??

In response to that I say there should be a higher level of integrity and accountability in judging. I know all about the politics of showing. They exist in all disciplines and in all associations, showing and breed shows alike. But, when the very principles of the discipline they are judging are lacking due to ribbons or awards, they need to self examine the reasons they are in that judges box in the first place. That is just how I feel about it.
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I strongly stand by the comment that "all jumpers are dressage horses, but not all dressage horses are jumpers."
Dressage is an essential basis to most good riding.
Jumping is SO much more than just "point and shoot."
that is the best statement i have heard in a while


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In response to that I say there should be a higher level of integrity and accountability in judging. I know all about the politics of showing. They exist in all disciplines and in all associations, showing and breed shows alike. But, when the very principles of the discipline they are judging are lacking due to ribbons or awards, they need to self examine the reasons they are in that judges box in the first place. That is just how I feel about it.
This is also my feeling, and is why I would like to become an FEI judge.
I feel that most of these issues are because of the FEI's non-action. They have allowed abusive training methods, and corrupt practices for much too long. It would be really refreshing to see some way to fine/ban people that are corrupting the sport. The FEI sure cracks down hard enough on people found with banned substances in their horse's systems to "make an example of them". Where is this side of the FEI when dealing with Rollkur and corrupt judges?
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Here is my beef with dressage and it has NOTHING to do with the judges. This is a lovely coming five year old in a double bridle that has only shown schooling level 1.

FEI Dressage Prospect for Sale in Ocala, Florida

There is a video there also. Shortened up in the front and showing false collection.

I teach classic dressage NOT this "rushed up so we can get top price for him" type of trained dressage.
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Spyder, I agree totally that there are too many horses that rushed into a headset as opposed to a true over all frame and self carriage. It is sad that that horse will most likely end up burned out and not go as far as he should be able too. It is horrible that wanting to turn a profit is more important to a trainer than the horses education. I understand it is still business, but a trainer should be a horse person first and business person second.
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