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        01-12-2009, 06:09 PM
      #21
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    I agree with mayfieldk as well. The horse in the video is not properly balanced at all, and that is not proper dressage.
    Who says it has to be perfect? I'd like too see any one on here get there horse to do these "tricks" without a rider. Plus, I certainly think the horses are having fun chasing the "tiger" And that grey seems pretty dang happy running around! Pinned ears don't always mean unhappy, I know my horse pins his running and bucking with his friends in the pasture, and he's certainly not unhappy
         
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        01-12-2009, 07:31 PM
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    Prove it.


    Nowhere do I see an unhappy horse. If he were there is no way that rider would have gotten the responses from his mount that was given to him. I see a enthusiastic horse doing his job happily.
         
        01-12-2009, 08:23 PM
      #23
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by 1dog3cats17rodents    
    Who says it has to be perfect? I'd like too see any one on here get there horse to do these "tricks" without a rider. Plus, I certainly think the horses are having fun chasing the "tiger" And that grey seems pretty dang happy running around! Pinned ears don't always mean unhappy, I know my horse pins his running and bucking with his friends in the pasture, and he's certainly not unhappy

    Well first of all I never said anything about unhappy horses. That was ponyboy. Secondly, if you're going to be doing Haute Ecole, it should be done correctly. There are people who can achieve true balance with a horse on the ground that is carrying no rider, but doing it improperly can harm the horse.
         
        01-22-2009, 04:40 PM
      #24
    Weanling
    Wow. I really never thought this thread wudda brought out so much emotion.

    My laptop fried and I missed all the fireworks. Dang.

    I for one have seen some very happy dressage horses, (I'd post a great vid but I haven't figgered out the new laptop yet) but I will also be the first to admit that most horses now are overworked to achieve a certain musculature at WAYYYY to early an age, and abuse exists in the dressage end as it does all parts of the horse world, I'm afraid. But the money aspect will always be to the shortcoming of the horse.

    Now, I have also seen bridless and saddless dressage I was so impressed with I could just hardly believe it myself.

    And the point about the horses not being at liberty per se was a good one, they ARE being worked, while they are riderless they are not at 'liberty'.

    But the last one would fall in my definition of dressage, and the others would be a start, tho again I say impulsion shuddn't be from 'chasing' but more like from invisible 'pulling', which would be difficult to teach in any other way (than I know of) than the classical method.

    While I am a roundpenner and train my own method borrowed heavily from GaWaNi PonyBoy (not speaking of 'our' ponyboy) and some others, and like the various versions of NH- IF DONE RIGHT, I am still a classicalist myself when it comes to dressage, I don't even sit on anybody's back around here until they are three, and at some point the roundpen methods are not used as much and we progress to the classical methods (have Ingrid Klimke's books which I adhere to religiously) which I have yet to find a better way to what I want. BUT- I wish that last video wudda had more info and more stuff on it, (like maybe a levade or even piroettes(sp)?) because I really was more impressed with it. I could see beginnings in the first ones, but no where near like the last one. I was impressed with the last one, and that is coming from someone who thought I would never be able to train dressage from the ground in such a way, and that one inspired me. While I WOULD hafta to get on the back to fine tune it, I was still impressed with what I saw, it took roundpenning in the direction I would like it to go, if I could get my horses to do that from the ground, it would be a good start anyhow.

    But then again, I am open minded, and willing to try new things, while having all respect due the more traditional ways as well.....
         
        01-22-2009, 05:42 PM
      #25
    Showing
    I personally think that dressage creates a great basis to go farther with your horse. Most upper level competition dressage is indeed ruining the reputation of the sport. When I watched the Olympic competition, most of what I saw was uncomfortable and, dare I say it, ugly. At least that is what I thought. Even though the video is labeled wrong, I though the trick training with the black pony was cute and the bay in the last video was beautiful with willing movement (maybe not perfect, but willing). The gray horse in the vids though {:/ I'm not sure about him, he doesn't look to have any respect for that girls space. I love to see a connection and willing partnership in any discipline, just with most televised dressage, that is lacking. I don't have access to it in any other way, it is all western in this area.
         
        01-23-2009, 03:54 AM
      #26
    Weanling
    I agree with you Smrobs, there is way too much tryin outdo each other, and tryin to always raise the standard a little higher, we got horses jumping so high they are more endangering themselves than anything. It is one thing for a human athlete to push him or her self beyond human limits, but to ask it of an animal when that animal wont be benefiting from the fame near as much as the human will. Still I do like to see good horsemanship on any level, and I have seen some impressive stuff. I was also impressed with this chic that was doin dressage saddleless and bridless and I was SO impressed. I was also really impressed with Stacy and her bridless and saddleless reining, she got me bit by the bug to do reining with my colt.

    But I have seen some performances where the rider and horse do so wonderful together, here is a wonderful example....
         
        01-29-2009, 12:49 AM
      #27
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    I absolutely LOVE Blue Hors Matine and Andreas Helgstrand.

    Those two exemplify the real natural dressage developed over centuries. I love how her ears are flopping all over the place throughout the performance. It really proves that she's relaxed and flowing well. So many other horses keep their ears pinned back.
         
        01-29-2009, 12:25 PM
      #28
    Weanling
    Yep. I can't remember the Dressage guru that said 'You cannot make a horse piaffe that does not wish to piaffe', perhaps my fellow dressage enthusiats can tell me who said it..... This horse is very happy in this video to me, and seems to get more excited as the dance progresses.... That is definitely 'dancing' with your horse.
         

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