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post #11 of 29 Old 02-28-2012, 12:51 PM Thread Starter
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post #12 of 29 Old 02-28-2012, 01:20 PM
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I don't think there's near enough clearance. You need at least 2 fingers of clearance.

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post #13 of 29 Old 02-28-2012, 01:21 PM
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Okay, I'm going to tiptoe in and try to give comment. I couldn't see your first links, but could see the second lot of photos.

Firstly, to get the best opinions, you need to post again with pictures without the saddlecloth. To properly assess the fit of a saddle you need to try it without a cloth.

Can we please see the shots you have done (withers & from rear), plus a photo from the side so we can see it on the whole back?

Now, based only on what I see, I would suggest that .... oh drat it, now I've started a reply, I can't see the photos!... oh heck, from memory then.

It looked too wide on the third horse, too narrow on the second, and I think it looked like it was tipping forward on the first horse. Sorry - not what you want to hear, so I reiterate, please re-post without the saddlecloth.

How old is the saddle? Do you know when it was last re-flocked? How smooth is the underside? A photo of that may be useful as well.
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on which one? the morgan i can easily get 4 fingers under. i took a pic, and on the arab i can just barely get two.
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The flocking isnt crunchy or anything, its pretty smooth.
I dont know how old it is...but im going to guess somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 years+. When stubbens were german made?

Dangnab it! What was it designed to fit? a unicorn? haha.
Out of the three, and each has a very different back...its gots to fit someone...
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post #16 of 29 Old 02-28-2012, 01:40 PM
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I know this isn't what you want to hear, but there is a very slim chance you are going to find one saddle that properly fits all 3 of your horses. :( especially since your horses seem to fit wide, regular and narrow trees! The only possible way you are going to find a saddle that fits each of them adaquetly is to get one with a changable tree..and then your looking at spending 2-3k.

The new pictures you posted are better, but you really need ones with just the saddle on the horse so there is no other objects obstructing our view. But I'll do my best and judge these as is. :)

Out of the 3, I really don't like the fit on either one unfortunately. :(
The saddle fits the morgan good in regards to wither clearance, however now we're getting into the area of the saddle being too narrow! You can tell from the picture of the back of the saddle that it looks like it pinches through the sides, it's sitting too much ontop of her. This saddle will cause pain for the morgan if you ride in it...pass for her.
The second horse fits the saddle the best out of the 3 if I absolutely had to pick. It still looks a tad too wide, but not wide enough to hammer down on his withers. It doesn't seem to be pinching anywhere but I'd still really like to see a bit more wither clearance with him.
The arab fits the saddle the worst. Please don't ever ride this horse with this saddle! It is WAY too wide and from my previous reply, will cause serious damage and pain to his back. Pass hardcore for this horse!

I know saddle fitting is frustrating and a lot of people don't understand that a saddle needs to fit pretty much perfect or else you will cause serious harm and damage to your horse's back. It's like finding a pair of shoes...they can't be too small or too big or else they cause blisters, slipping and PAIN.
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Oh, no, im just looking for it to fit one! any one of the three and ill be happy as a clam! i dont care which horse!

i just feel like since each seems to have a dif back (one wide, one medium-narrowish, one very narrow) someone in there has to fit. like cinderella. there has to be one that will fit this saddle!

oh bother....

the arab also doesnt have a lot going along her topline. shes got a hay belly, but lack of exercise has left her with not a nice, well muscled top line. i feel like its gonna be a challenge to find anything that fits her. I want to sell/give her away, so hopefully that will happen here soon.

None of these are horses I want a saddle to fit long term, is the frustrating thing. I wanted to get started in this one, and when i get my tb or appendix (The phantom horse, it probably doesnt exist) for hunter/jumper and pony club, thats my longterm, what i want, have been hunting for 10 months horse. I assume because so many tbs are "Slab sided" that ill probably need another narrow tree then too, right?

I heard Krefelds can run wide...apparently its not a myth :( Anyone know of a Stubben that runs narrower? Its just
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Oh dear, I do feel for you. We just take it for granted here that when we need a saddle...... we call out a saddle-fitter, who comes laden with loads of saddles, new and old, together with years of training and experience. I had never really seen 'English' saddles from a Western viewpoint before!

A badly fitting saddle will hurt your horse, end of story. You just can't compromise or 'make-do' with saddles, it has to be fitted right to your horse. And unless you have a proper saddle fitter fit your saddle, the potential is that you will only find out that it's not fitting - and causing pain - when it's too late. You might end up with a grumpy horse, or a horse with a bad back, or a newly developed habit of rearing, bucking or napping come out of nowhere.

If you can... take your time. Post those photos without the cloth and then go from there.

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Your saddle is quite flat underneath, and needs more stuffing. But I've had many old, flat saddles, and when I was growing up, the answer was to pick the right saddle PADS. That's not a good answer, but it was what we did.

To help matters, the school horses were usually Quarter Horse types with low-or-no withers. You canNOT pad-to-fit a high-withered horse. We were also kids-- at 140 lbs, you will probably cause the saddle to readjust, and I think it will sink down too far.

My favorite pad is the very thick wool (not synthetic) half-pad. My horses do not have much wither. However, I did finally save enough for a new saddle. I encourage you to do the same.
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post #20 of 29 Old 02-28-2012, 05:49 PM
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I have provided 3 site links on saddle fitting - for horse and rider.
It wasn't apparent what type of saddle it is - jumping? dressage? All Purpose? - the reason I ask is this - dressage riders ride with very long legs (and hence leathers), hunter have shorter leathers, jumper riders have shorter leathers than hunter riders.

The seat size also varies. I ride in a 17.5" jumping saddle and an 18" dressage saddle. Basically in an english saddle the rider should be able to put a hand (4 inches) between their butt and the cantle of the saddle. But pictures do not show your butt hanging over the side - so size is probably OK for you. Leathers are much too short as it pushes your kneww forward too much - onto knee rolls.

Stubbens are (at least were) made in Ireland - older models are VERY well made but tend to be narrow. The "gap" underneath the saddle is called the channel. It needs to be wide enough to sit just on the outside of the horses vertebrae (spine) but not too far out - I ride large horses so mine is generally around 3 inches wide (don't have saddle in front of me so going off memory).

Your saddle needs more flocking (wool only) in the back. Picture from rear with you sitting on it shows saddle almost sitting on her spine. Adding more flocking to saddle will raise it up in the back so it matches the front clearance. Sorry I couldn't find a link to this old saddle fitting video which was great.... but start by placing saddle on withers and sliding back until you can get you fingers around the top of the shoulder blade. This is the #1 mistake most riders make - thus saddle restricts shoulder movement, hurts horse and soon you have a bucker or other problems. Isn;t there a horse person around that knows a little about saddle fit? Essentially when you ride you look at the saddle pad. It should have equal amounts of dirt and sweat covering the entire saddle. Dry spots indicate possible issues where saddle is causing undue pressure (pinching near the withers is a common one). Dirt on front more than back may indicate you need more padding in rear or rider is sitting crooked.

Hope this helps.

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