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post #1 of 19 Old 09-03-2010, 05:26 PM Thread Starter
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Not sitting for canter...?

Well, I have had my mare from about 6-7 months but only really started riding her 3-4 months ago (due to so much snow).
We had her with a small 'producers' and she just could not come right, especially her canter! Her trot became really good and lovely and then she would go and spoil our show by not canter or running into it.

We moved her to another small 'producer' and she has her for a month before a big championship show and she got a lot better but her canter was still a problem and then on the 2nd day (4 day show) Sally (prodcer) said try not sitting when asking for canter (WHAT?!). Okay so I did this and she went striaght into canter?!

Sally said it may be her being arsy or because it is above her sexual organs it would be uncomfortable and just enough 'pain' for her to say f***k off.

I was just wondering if any of you have ever had a mare or know a mare to be like this? :) x
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How do you ask for the canter? Does she do this all the time?

Sounds like it may be pain or rider issues.

If she has back pain, then it's probably uncomfortable for you to sit and expect her to canter. Check her saddle and maybe get a vet's opinion.

If you are imbalanced, you may be giving her mixed signals by sitting and asking for the canter. If this is the case, then you might want to practice on your canter more.

We really need more information though.
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What is 'producers'? I've never heard of that before? :)
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we have had her back checked and she is fine, also her saddle fits correctly. Err lets say im going to canter on the right rein I will sit put my left leg back (behind the girth) push and sqeeze with my leg, like I have also done and been taught. Sally said she used to have a dales mare that would only canter without sitting.

A producer is basicsaly somebody that produces you pony for the show ring, they look after them, ride them get them ready and we go over once a week to ride and for shows
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Some horses are not strong enough in the back to pick up canter with a rider on their back. I would be lunging her doing extensive trot-canter-trot transitions, working her on hills and REALLY focussing on getting her hind legs stepping under her centre of gravity, and her back swinging through. If you can build up some muscle, this will help her take your weight in the transition.
I would also question how you are sitting. It is possible that you are weighted slightly crookedly, or maybe you are being to 'loud' with you seat and aids. I am riding a mare at the moment that will NOT canter, will NOT half pass, will NOT stop, unless you ask with exactly the right aid at exactly the right time. If you are crooked in the saddle, she will run straight through you and drag you around the arena. The second you fix your position, she is soft, uphill and through.
Some horses are just very sensitive to the aids you give, and you may need to really think about what your seat is doing. Like how we say men think with their 'little men', you need to think with your seat!
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Yeah sally has been getting her doing a lot of uphill hacking and the trot-canter transitions. We looked at my seat and I'm not crooked and have been told I have a very like seat and hand. She is deffinatly getting there. Alot of people have told me that fells arn't built to canter, so many find it difficult (quick if obvious in the ring) just meant to trot for miles with a farmer on there back or pulling a cart x
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Fells aren't built to canter? I don't think anyone told the Fells I learnt to ride on that. I would think it is more a training issue or a problem with the way you're asking her to canter rather than a breed issue. How old is she? I would maybe get an independent, knowledgeable eye in to watch you ride since they're more likely to be able to help you than advice given unseen over the internet.

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No fells aren't, they are built to be able to trot for miles, like Welsh D's aren't 'built' to canter, they find it difficult. She is trained fine and I was asking for canter in completely the right way. I have had many top judges and trainers see her and they lady she is at is a very good rider/ producer and they only way she can get my mare to canter nicely and forward in her transition is to not sit when asking. As I said above where I am sitting (on any mare) is just above her sexual organs which would be uncomfortable and also with her being an arsy mare already.
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I knew Fells are able to trot for miles but every horse can canter and the Fells I learnt to ride on never had issues with canter (heck some of them were among the fastest naturally on the yard including the TBs they had there) and the same with the Welsh Ds I've ridden and seen ridden at shows.

How old is your mare? I'm assuming she's young from the way you talk about her, was she rideable when you bought her or has the previous producer broken her in?

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I know all horses are able to canter but some find it difficult.
So you must have seen the welsh D's aren't as flued in their canter as per say a connie etc..

She is 7, and yes she was ridable. She was broken by mandie head.
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