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post #21 of 48 Old 10-24-2010, 11:41 AM
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I totally agree with that 100%.
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post #22 of 48 Old 10-24-2010, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Allison Finch View Post
I find this fairly stupid, IMHO. Martingales are a corrective device. Why advertise to a judge that your horse has a training problem, if they don't. It boggles my mind.
I so agree with this. Martingales should be loose enough for the horse to go above the vertical, but to keep it from raising it's head so high that it smacks the rider in the nose. My understanding is the martingale is to keep the rider safe, not tie down the horse's head.
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post #23 of 48 Old 10-24-2010, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MissPhoebe View Post
I couldn't watch the video but I just wanted to add this...

I spent the day down at the Penn National Horse Show in Harrisburg on Thursday and I really paid attention to what was going on and thought about this post. This is what I saw...
The amateur owners were practically all using standing martingales on the course (3'3"). When I say practically, I mean that only 3 out of the pack of 25 did not have a standing martingale on. And, I also have to add that the top two horses in the class were among the pack not wearing one. Although I didn't see any glaring problems from using them, I can tell you that only about 6 of the horses seemed like they needed them. Those horses were really strong and trying to pogo their heads all over the place before the fence, which is why they probably use them.

Then, the Open Jumper class (5'5"), which had several top, professional riders came out. I noticed that all of their horses had on running martingales, which I was always taught is the safe martingale for jumping. It did not inhibit their horses, and several of the horses were very strong with their heads.

I have to agree with the posts about how they do not believe professionals are misusing the tack or trying to make up for inabilities. That is not what I meant at all in any of my previous posts. I specifically appraised the tack that they chose for their horses to see the difference.

My pet peeve is the people using the standing martingales that aren't even clear on why they are using them for other than to have another place to mount a fancy gold nameplate. After I got home from the show, I had a conversation with a hunter/jumper trainer that I know (mainly because I wanted to tell her that I got to sit next to Rodrigo Pessoa at the show!!!) and asked her about the sudden use of martingales in the hunter world, and surprisingly enough, because I thought I was going to hear a long spiel about their benefits, she came right out and said that none of her horses needed them but since they are fashionable right now she makes sure that her students always have them on at shows. Yep, that's right, she openly admitted that they are never used at home and they only use them on show days. So in my mind the web became even more tangled. Let's hope it's a fashion statement that is short lived, and at least I know that those horses aren't putting up with that nuisance all the time, at least with that trainer. Weird.
Yep. They're in fashion, so everyone uses one.
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Allison I totally agree with you...fashion or not, I would rather use what my horse Actually uses all the time, rather than slap something on him at shows "just" because it's the craze...how dumb.

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It's always been the fashion here to have martingales (usually running), colourful 3 ring gags and fly veils.

Less tack, the nicer the horse looks.
Ridiculous that these riders are allowed to influence children IMHO.
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post #26 of 48 Old 10-24-2010, 08:47 PM
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I'm not sure if it applies in this competition in some competitions a martingale it's known as a "training aid" which can be classified as an illegal advantage.
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post #27 of 48 Old 10-27-2010, 08:07 PM
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Unfortunately, there is a similar situation in dressage and eventing. Flash nosebands are all the rage and are used whether the horse needs it or not. It is a rare thing for one of my horses to need one and I will NOT use it if not needed. It is hard to get a nice bridle these days without the flash loop.

It is a corrective device, folks. Don't tell a judge that your horse has a training issue if it doesn't!

Same thing.
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post #28 of 48 Old 10-27-2010, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Allison Finch View Post
It is a corrective device, folks. Don't tell a judge that your horse has a training issue if it doesn't!

Same thing.

Technically, right? But I was at a judge's clinic a while ago when the well known judge giving the clinic said that he considers it "part of the uniform" (for a hunter) and that it's more expected to have one on then not! AND he said that very few horses have a neck attractive enough to not need one (people like that the line separates the horse's neck from the body?) I was shocked! I mean, really??

Back to the OP though, it sounds like they were draw reins, not a martingale. And standing martingales are illegal in the jumper ring above ~4ft, which would definitely include horses at the WEG. I have a feeling they were draw reins or some kind of training device.
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I put a link to video of it. Can somebody just look and tell me what those were? It looked like the bay horse had both on.

You just have to see your distance...you don't have to like it.
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post #30 of 48 Old 10-27-2010, 10:59 PM
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I just had to say; "Fashions" are stupid in the horse world! A horse and rider should be judged by their abilities, not what they're wearing!
OK. Now I feel better.
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