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        03-17-2013, 09:03 PM
      #31
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CessBee    
    *sigh* Once again people who seem to be of the "it's different from what I do, so it must be wrong" mindset

    Look at some pictures of a saddlebred standing still


    And compare with that of a QH


    Look at how differently they are put together. To say that one should move like the other is silly, they physically cannot.

    This saddlebred is gorgeous Ro & Me's Out Of The Ashes, American Saddlebred, 2-year old gelding, - YouTube his movement you can clearly see is natural for him.

    And now look at this QH at 1 minute or indeed any in this video all are moving in ways that are natural to them. And it is clear that because of their build that they are suited to different tasks. The QH couldn't get his head up that hard if he tried! You can see how high they can get their head up when they are all excited and that is barely even close to that of the saddlebreds resting height.

    You wouldn't expect a professional wrestler to be built and move like an Olympic sprinter would you?
    Never said it was wrong, just stating what it looks like. I was looking for people to prove me wrong.
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        03-18-2013, 12:13 AM
      #32
    Started
    You never wanted to be "proved wrong". You had your mind made up about the discipline before you even knew the name of it. Your first posts in this thread proved as much.

    I will say again, as I said in post #12 of this thread. "I don't like the way a lot of other equestrian disciplines look. That is why I ride what I like." If there was only supposed to be one style of riding, then there would only be one. In most disciplines that I detest, it is the people involved that ruin the style for me, not the seat itself. Again that is why I ride what I like.
         
        03-18-2013, 11:12 AM
      #33
    Weanling
    Nevertheless the alignment of the rider should be roughly the same (ear/shoulder/hip/heel in alignment, straightline from elbow to horse's mouth, upper arm vertical) in ALL the seats. And this is shown in the USEF directives.
         
        03-18-2013, 11:22 AM
      #34
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by LadyDreamer    
    You never wanted to be "proved wrong". You had your mind made up about the discipline before you even knew the name of it. Your first posts in this thread proved as much.

    I will say again, as I said in post #12 of this thread. "I don't like the way a lot of other equestrian disciplines look. Is why I ride what I like." If there was only supposed to be one style of riding, then there would only be one. In most disciplines that I detest, it is the people involved that ruin the style for me, not the seat itself. Again that is why I ride what I like.
    How do you know what I wanted? If I was set on my opinion, I wouldn't have posted it on people to argue with me. I was just asking for people to prove me wrong. I was saying the neck looks cranked up too high (which that part was explained, and I accept that) and the reins look to tight (also explained pedfectly to me).

    I also think that the saddle is too far back. That was halfway explained; because of the neckset, it can't be further forward. But I'm still wondering, just because the neck is built differently, doesn't mean the back is. Doesn't the weight on that part of the horses back hurt? Every sound horse I know of (I don't know any saddlebreds) would be sore if someone sat that far back, because the bones just behind their withers are stronger, and better at supporting a rider.

    And if that wasn't clear enough to you, I am not dissing the sport. I want someone to tell me "It doesn't hurt the horse because...".
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        03-18-2013, 11:24 AM
      #35
    Foal
    A resemblance of marry poppins on the carousel! Poor horse.
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        03-18-2013, 06:43 PM
      #36
    Weanling
    I am not a saddleseat rider myself, but I have an open mind to look at all the facts and hear from people in the "business" first before I cement my opinions.

    Here are some pictures of a saddleseat saddle on the horses back to compare with a western saddle. (these have been hard to find btw and may not be as accurate a comparison as I would like so if someone in saddleseat would be able to post a pic of just the saddle on the horse girthed up from the same angle as one western one that would be great)




    Not how both seems to go very far back on the horses back.

    The lady in the OPs link has a VERY solid seat, her legs barely move whilst she posts and her hands are very independent of her seat as a constant contact is maintained.
    Yes her hands are high, but so is the headset of the horse, if her hands were lower she would have broken the straight line from elbow to bit, as shown in these photos.




    I believe the second picture also shows the saddle placement more, if it was further forward it would be impeding the horses shoulder action quite dramatically.
    These horses really know how to use their shoulders and they do, having the seat further back than what you would see an english rider doing allows the horse to show off his full ability, which is what showing, in essence should boil down to, showing off the horses natural talent. These are horses which have been bred for the flamboyant movement and do so naturally, as shown by the video of the 2 year old gelding.

    (thank you google for the images)
         
        03-18-2013, 08:00 PM
      #37
    Started
    It's also nice to see that neither of them are engaging the weymouth on their double bridles as much as the bridoons.
         
        03-20-2013, 11:59 PM
      #38
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CessBee    
    This saddlebred is gorgeous Ro & Me's Out Of The Ashes, American Saddlebred, 2-year old gelding, - YouTube his movement you can clearly see is natural for him.
    Honest question here... this horse appears to have straps on his back feet. Aren't those used to alter a horse's natural gait and encourage them to pick up their feet more?
         
        03-21-2013, 12:21 PM
      #39
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jalter    
    I'd have to agree with that. A perfect example is in halter classes; the HYPP Quarter horses and toothpick Arabians. They are both beautiful breeds, why must they be ruined?

    Also, in Dressage, I don't see why double bridles are a requirement. If a horse could perform just as well in a snaffle, I know I would find that more impressive than the requirement. I've seen people in mid-level dressage who managed to train their horse to do the same thing bridleless. Don't tell me that is less impressive than a harsh bit.
    "harsh" bits are only "harsh" in the wrong hands. Many of those riders are exceptional, and since you can't see their cues, are being pretty light in the mouth. A double bridle is for communicating more detailed cues to your horse, cues that are muddled in a regular snaffle bridle.
         

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