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post #1 of 35 Old 06-13-2011, 06:30 AM Thread Starter
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Is pointing out the toe too bad?

Now let me say yes, they should be parallel with the side of the horse. However I'm facing the physical issue here. While I can keep right one parallel, keeping left one is painful (due to the old (pretty bad) injury). I started wearing one of those fixing bandages (which somewhat improved situation), still it's not 100%. So... Will it affect the correct riding too bad? And at the shows will it bring scores down?

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Kitten,

Whether or not it's bad depends on how it affects the rest of your lower leg position. The reason that "toes out" is considered a flaw is that it usually forces you to ride on the back of you calf, rather than the flat of your calf, and that interferes with applying the aids correctly.

So if the rest of your position is correct and effective, it shouldn't be a problem. If your leg on that side is affected by the toe position, ehhhhh, then it might be a problem.
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Thank you, maura! Yes, I see what you are saying. I do try to keep the calf in correct position (although it takes some effort). It's mostly from ankle and down, which deviates away from the side. Unfortunately as long as I put it in correct position I have a feeling I don't have any support there at all.

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agreed. my left toe turns out more than my right one bc of numerous knee injuries and so on. as long as your leg is correct, the toe is less of a focus. i know i wouldn't ever place well in an eq class, but my physical conformation prohibits me from being able to have my feet parallel to my horse. even when standing i toe out.

the best way to find the "natural" angle for your feet is stand with your legs about shoulder width apart. close your eyes and point your feet where standing is most comfortable and it FEELS to YOU as if your feet ar pointing pretty much straight ahead. then open your eyes and see where your feet are ACTUALLY pointing. this is where your feet should be when riding. when i do this exercise my right foot is only at a slight angle outward while my left one is almost 45 degrees out.
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agreed. my left toe turns out more than my right one bc of numerous knee injuries and so on. as long as your leg is correct, the toe is less of a focus. i know i wouldn't ever place well in an eq class, but my physical conformation prohibits me from being able to have my feet parallel to my horse. even when standing i toe out.

the best way to find the "natural" angle for your feet is stand with your legs about shoulder width apart. close your eyes and point your feet where standing is most comfortable and it FEELS to YOU as if your feet ar pointing pretty much straight ahead. then open your eyes and see where your feet are ACTUALLY pointing. this is where your feet should be when riding. when i do this exercise my right foot is only at a slight angle outward while my left one is almost 45 degrees out.
hope that helps!
Thanks, Sky, that's very helpful!

And while I feel very sorry for your leg, at least I'm not alone with this problem.

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agreed. my left toe turns out more than my right one bc of numerous knee injuries and so on. as long as your leg is correct, the toe is less of a focus. i know i wouldn't ever place well in an eq class, but my physical conformation prohibits me from being able to have my feet parallel to my horse. even when standing i toe out.

the best way to find the "natural" angle for your feet is stand with your legs about shoulder width apart. close your eyes and point your feet where standing is most comfortable and it FEELS to YOU as if your feet ar pointing pretty much straight ahead. then open your eyes and see where your feet are ACTUALLY pointing. this is where your feet should be when riding. when i do this exercise my right foot is only at a slight angle outward while my left one is almost 45 degrees out.
hope that helps!
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Good Lord, with my conformation and injuries, I cannot keep my toes pointed forwards. I feel a twinge of jealousy watching my friend ride - you could stick flashlights on her toes and she could make great headlights for the horse.
Glad to know I am not the only one!
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Good Lord, with my conformation and injuries, I cannot keep my toes pointed forwards. I feel a twinge of jealousy watching my friend ride - you could stick flashlights on her toes and she could make great headlights for the horse.
Glad to know I am not the only one!
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Lol, JDI! You are definitely not alone!

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for dressage your toes should point forward, but in an a/p saddle or any kind of jumping saddle they should point out a little bit [up to 45degrees] the reason is, you want to use the good part of your calf on the horse - not the back, but the inside. it also depends on your conformation what angle your foot is at. personally, i walk with my feet very straight forward, but if i try to ride like that i have very little leg that actually touches the horse. if i turn my toes out slightly my whole leg touches the horse. its really strange to me that so many people think your toes *have* to point forward, because in lessons i have never heard that.

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