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    09-01-2011, 08:24 PM
  #11
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I know you said you've changed saddles, but I used to have a saddle that I loved, but darn it mangled my goodies (female) and so had to sell it. The shape has everything to do with comfort.

I really appreciate your frankness in sharing this. I confess that most of girls kind of wonder why men are not made uncomfortable by this. (we just dont' always understand each other's side of the world, do we?)

Anyway, would you be interested in posting a video of your posting methods? Seeing is so much better than guessing.
     
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    09-01-2011, 08:35 PM
  #12
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Originally Posted by jinxremoving    
I've been riding for about a year and lately I've been trying to perfect my posting trot. I can post two ways, one is gracefully where I let the horses impulsion lift me out of the saddle an inch or two and the other is where I forcefully push off the stirrups to rise a few inches higher than I should be.

The problem is, when I gracefully post I bump into the pommel in a non-male friendly kind of way. I've tried other saddles, some are better than others but for the most part the problem remains. I don't like how I look when I forcefully post - it seems too exaggerated and frankly looks stupid, but it's the only way I can do so without being uncomfortable.

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You should let the horse's impulsion lift you, that way "certain thingys" won't get errrr jostled around so much.

Or a more supportive jock strap if you try to go the forceful method.
     
    09-01-2011, 08:37 PM
  #13
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
Anyway, would you be interested in posting a video of your posting methods? Seeing is so much better than guessing.

I was going to ask too, but didn't want to come off as a creeper haha
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    09-01-2011, 08:38 PM
  #14
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
Well... I'm not a guy obviously... But forceful posting (as you call it) is not a right way of doing it. You have to post with your hips, not your feet/stirrups. From how it sounds I wonder if the saddle fits you (because if your legs are too forward because of the imbalance you won't be able to post correctly). You can also look into more flat (close contact) saddle, which doesn't have much of pommel.
I know pushing off the stirrups isn't the correct way of posting. I definitely wasn't taught that way, it just sort of became habit after a while and instructors overlooked it because they didn't have any tips that actually worked for me. The way I post is my biggest complaint about how I ride, and I've been working on trying to find a way to post (correctly) without the awkwardness.

I've done everything from "rearranging things" (sorry, lol.) to sports underwear to borderline spandex briefs, to different saddles. Although you did spark something in my mind, I've used about 5 or 6 saddles and they were all forward seat with a distinct pommel. However, my pony club manual shows all of the different saddles and mentions one called a "flat jumping saddle" that hardly has a pommel. It looks ideal. I'm going to ask next time I'm at the barn to see if they have one I can try out. :)
     
    09-01-2011, 08:45 PM
  #15
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Originally Posted by mumiinek    
So that's why some of the guys I've seen riding here look so... funny But seriously I've never heard of a pommel being a possible problem when posting for guys, maybe they just don't talk about it? Though majority of the male riders in our stable (and there's probably more of them then girls) ride just fine without any discomfort, our trainers (all male) ride several horses a day so I don't think they have similar poblems as that would be probably unbearable for them. Which makes it seem the problem is either in the way you're posting or in your saddle and is definitely solvable
Yeah, that's what I was worried about. I have many friends who ride but non of them knew any other male riders, so I'm left to ponder whether or not I'm the only one who has this problem. My instructor actually mentioned that one of the saddles I use was given to her by her old instructor who was actually a male.

I ride at a respected hunter barn, and my instructors couldn't see anything wrong with my posting when I was doing it correctly - rising and falling with the horse, not pushing off the stirrups. That's what makes it 100x more frustrating for me, because they didn't have any suggestions on what I could do to fix it.

Although, now that I think about it, and this probably doesn't make any sense, but when they had me posting without stirrups earlier this year I don't recall having any discomfort? I'm scheduled to ride tomorrow, I've put this on my "to do list" to see if that's the case or not.

I'll video tape myself tomorrow and upload it to YouTube. Probably be a good idea to get some feedback from people on here, maybe see something my instructors weren't seeing. :)
     
    09-01-2011, 08:53 PM
  #16
Yearling
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Originally Posted by mumiinek    
That's a very good point, the majority of saddles here in Central Europe, and especialy those in riding schools are eiter 17" or 17,5" which is a female size (though many male riders are often forced to ride in it because there's simply nothing else to chose from, unless they buy their own saddle), for men the recommended size is 18". My dressage saddle is 17,5" and my jumping special (that I bougt from a guy whose horse tragically died) is 18" and I'm telling you, even though the 17,5" fits me just perfecty, I haven't sat on a more comfortable thing than the 18" one in my whole life
@maura:

The cup suggestion is a very good idea! I'll feel silly wearing one, but if it lets me post correctly without any discomfort I'm all for it. I'm kind of grasping at straws right now, haha.

@mumiinek:

I'm not a very big person so I don't think a small saddle is the problem. Excluding my height, I'm probably the same body type as a couple of the instructors. I think in a previous life I was born a woman, haha.
     
    09-01-2011, 09:15 PM
  #17
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If you weren't experiencing discomfort with a no stirrup post... then maybe you are grippy with the stirrups and push off of them without realizing instead of leaving your leg set in stone on your horse.. that may do it.
     
    09-01-2011, 09:21 PM
  #18
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Originally Posted by jinxremoving    
...However, my pony club manual shows all of the different saddles and mentions one called a "flat jumping saddle" that hardly has a pommel. It looks ideal. I'm going to ask next time I'm at the barn to see if they have one I can try out. :)
I'm mostly a western rider now, but I started English. I really think the solution isn't a saddle, but technique.

A saddle that rises rapidly to the front can be a problem, but most of those are western saddles. My Bates AP saddle is one of the flattest I've seen - all the English saddles I've seen have tended to be flatter than the average western.

An Aussie saddle is basically a dressage saddle with mickey mouse ears (poleys) to prevent forward movement. The poleys should be about a finger width in front of your thighs. The Australian stock saddle normally has a mild chair seat as well, but it is still easy for me to post in. That means my thighs don't move more than a finger forward - so posting does NOT put the family jewels much farther forward than sitting.

Even if your stirrups hang way in front of you - and they should not if your saddle fits - you shouldn't post from your stirrups. It should come from your thighs. I have to go by book reading, but it is my understanding that even with jumping, posting shouldn't put you way out of the saddle. Two point might, but the purpose of posting doesn't require standing in the stirrups.

I suspect the problem is related to gravity - the higher you go, the further to come down! And the further you 'fall', the more you hit - on both you AND the horse.

"Although, now that I think about it, and this probably doesn't make any sense, but when they had me posting without stirrups earlier this year I don't recall having any discomfort?"

That makes sense. Of course, my wife has never compared me to a stallion (and anyone comparing a man to a stallion would make me laugh uncontrollably), but posting light in the stirrups or without them doesn't get me high enough to have anything suspended above the saddle, waiting for an impact.

I played around with it this morning, riding in a western saddle that my daughter loves but that is NOT designed with a male in mind...didn't matter. I tried shortening the stirrups, and if I kept my heels mostly under me, it still didn't matter. The 'forward' motion of the post is relative to the ground, not the horse. The horse is moving forward with you.

My daughter's saddle:



I find it hard to believe any English saddle is less male friendly than that!

My Australian style saddle:



Not much room for forward motion of the thighs there! In fact, you might see if you could borrow an Aussie saddle & try posting in it...
     
    09-01-2011, 09:29 PM
  #19
Trained
My husband rides english, he never says the posting is uncomfortable. Only things he says is our instructor is brutal but he rides for exercise so he expects this.
     
    09-01-2011, 09:47 PM
  #20
Yearling
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Originally Posted by bsms    
I suspect the problem is related to gravity - the higher you go, the further to come down! And the further you 'fall', the more you hit - on both you AND the horse.

That makes sense. Of course, my wife has never compared me to a stallion (and anyone comparing a man to a stallion would make me laugh uncontrollably), but posting light in the stirrups or without them doesn't get me high enough to have anything suspended above the saddle, waiting for an impact.
That makes perfect sense! Maybe that's my problem, rising too high and crashing down - even though I don't feel like I'm rising that high when I let the horse lift me up. As mentioned, I can post without pushing off the stirrups but maybe I am doing it subconsciously and still putting some weight in the stirrups.

I'll mention that to my instructor tomorrow and see if we can put the theory to the test. The idea of rising too high and crashing down never crossed my mind once, it'll be something if that's the problem. :)

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I did some Googling and found someone else who had a similar problem:

Help needed, mens private bits! [Archive] - New Rider Message Board

Good to know I'm not the only one. I get frustrated when it feels like I'm the only one who has these awkward problems.
     

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