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    11-23-2008, 10:42 PM
  #11
Trained
At intro and training, they do well for sure. But anything requiring even a small amount of collection and they just plain can't do it.
I competed a quarter horse for years and was basically stuck at training level. Yes we won everything, but as soon as we moved up to first, he got slaughtered by the judges because there is just not the movement or ability for collection.

But, outside the competition arena, cross training in dressage is good for any horse.


And about Rugged Lark, yes he is a wonderful horse. But he can't do dressage. Compare how his movement and frame looks compared to any other Prix St. Georges horse that is actually competing and doing well. A random video off YouTube compare them and tell me which horse would win a St. Georges by a 15% margin.
     
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    11-24-2008, 09:39 AM
  #12
Super Moderator
Rugged Lark WAS a great horse and he did do dressage. He's gone now, but he was a great horse.
     
    11-25-2008, 01:24 PM
  #13
Yearling
I'm sure you had a wonderful QH Anebel, but were talking 2 Superhorse wins.... LOL

Your correct and his "get" are winning against the WB crowed as well. ( this is from 2004)

From the Lynn Palm web page:

The American Quarter Horse is by far the most versatile horse in the world, proven by its success in many different arenas. From cutting to reining and racing to ranching and even dressage, American Quarter Horses thrive in nearly every discipline. In fact, American Quarter Horse stallion My Royal Lark claimed the Grand Champion First Level horse title at the USDF’s Southern Comfort Zada Cup at the Clarcona Equestrian Park in Orlando, Florida, amid a competitive field of Dutch Warmbloods, Hanoverians, Oldenburgs and Westfalens, breeds that have traditionally excelled at dressage. American Quarter Horse Association Professional Horsewoman Lynn Palm and My Royal Lark, son of multiple AQHA Superhorse Rugged Lark, emerged Grand Champion First Level, and also earned the event’s highest first level score of 68.571 percent. My Royal Lark and Palm have earned six USDF test scores above 60 percent and are already qualified for 2004 USDF Regional Competition, First Level
     
    11-25-2008, 05:03 PM
  #14
Yearling
QH's can do dressage. Most breedes can. Clydesdales, perhcerons, belgians and other drafts also do it. Most breeds can if there trained right.
     
    11-25-2008, 11:29 PM
  #15
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
I competed a quarter horse for years and was basically stuck at training level. Yes we won everything, but as soon as we moved up to first, he got slaughtered by the judges because there is just not the movement or ability for collection.
YOUR QH didn't do well, but that doesn't mean all QHs won't do well.


Shine-A-Bit III, AQHA, has shown and won Grand Prix competitions, including at the prestigious Bloomfield Horse Show in Michigan. He is shown here in 1992 with Mari Monda Zdunic of Shine-a-Bit Farm performing the rear. He is now used as an exhibition horse, performing competition and haute e'cole demonstrations with Mari all over the country. He has performed at the Quarter Horse Congress and at the Washington International Horse Show.


Peps Me Up (aka Dusty), is a 1991 15.2h quarter horse gelding by Huskys Little Peppy (Poco Bueno/Peppy Zan), out of Pauma Bar Drywash (Leo/Three Bars). He is just giving lessons to little kids now because of arthritis, but he schooled through 4th level and showed through 2nd. He started showing dressage at age 12. He was a finished reiner with my trainer, who also bred him. I also showed him Western pleasure, hunt seat and in trail classes before doing dressage. Making the transition to dressage so was easy for him. Although he never had spectacular scores (mid 60s at training level through mid 50s at 2nd level), he was consistent, accurate and relaxed. A complete pleasure to take to shows. I miss competing on him, but he is teaching kids how to ride and that is worth more than any amount of ribbons in my book! - -Bridget, Owner, from Pinon Hills, Ca.


Bred and raised at the Niobe Valley Ranches, JR Nick Shoemaker is making quite a splash in the dressage arena! So far this year, he has scored in the high sixties and even recorded a 73.46% under an Olympic level judge! He is under the capable hands of the trainer, Sheri Bresee, and will be continued to be campaigned. His foal crop this year has been a super one, with 4 babies, 3 of which are palominos, and an overo paint filly! Nicky has won Reserve Champion, and Open Show Champion titles so far at the dressage shows.


(AWR)American Warmblood Registry Licensed Stallion in Dressage currently training in Elkton, MD, 1st and 2nd Level Dressage. Quatro Clabber is being shown on the East Coast and in June was Reserve Class Champion, Dressage at Fairhill with a score of 68.292%, approved First Premium in the AWR!


American Quarter Horses in Dressage


     
    11-25-2008, 11:41 PM
  #16
Yearling
I think that QH of that caliber in dressage are the exception, not the rule. I'm not saying that they aren't great horses, but they just aren't built for it. They aren't the best choice, however at lower level any horse can do well, given that their conformation isn't extremely flawed.
     
    11-26-2008, 12:41 AM
  #17
Trained
First of all, I know JR Nick Shoemaker and he is no longer with Sheri, or doing dressage because he couldn't move up to second level, and his owners weren't too impressed with her training methods.
And Rugged Lark has 6 scores above 60% at first level? My 5 year old has more than 6 scores above 70% at training and first levels from one year of showing with an Adult Amateur.

I'm not saying that quarter horses absolutely as a rule cannot do any dressage. All horses, mules, donkeys, camels and probably lamas can do dressage. I'm talking about elite dressage, and winning in today's dressage arena. It is tough to win any championship anywhere with an average score below 70% anymore. 70% is the new 60%, and I don't personally know of any Quarter Horses capable of achieving those kinds of scores, consistently, beyond training level.
And, btw, my quarter horse had tempi changes, all his laterals and was beginning canter pirouettes. He just didn't have the movement to show the levels, and so instead of stressing him to get a 55% at second or third level, I retired him to a lower level rider and moved on to a more capable horse. It's called being fair in recognizing your horse's ability and not over exerting them.



PS mid 50s at second level is not "doing well". You can't even be awarded a championship at a show without an average score of 60%.
PPS My horse is also, consistent, accurate and relaxed. I have tests that are all 7s and 8s, which you can't get without a consistent, accurate and relaxed test.
     
    11-26-2008, 01:24 AM
  #18
Showing
Yes, with proper training, QH can do it all.....literaly. Rugged Lark was the perfect example of the versatility of the QH.
     
    11-26-2008, 08:56 AM
  #19
Super Moderator
Anebel,

The question was not "are Qh's the best dressage horses?" it was "How do QH's do in dressage". And as you can see, people have given some pretty good answers and even offered examples. I'm glad that you and your horse are doing well and I wish you future successes. I'm not sure why you feel the need to bring down a breed just because you feel yours is more adapt or talented.

The fact of the matter is, QH's along with many, MANY other breeds can, and DO excel in dressage. No need to turn this into an ugly debate.
     
    11-26-2008, 09:46 AM
  #20
Green Broke
Any horse can compete in dressage.

Because of the movements required in the upper levels many individuals(including fresians, warmbloods, saddlebreds, and quarter horses (etc.) never make it to the top levels.

I think each breed's conformation will either allow the horse to master the levels with ease, or make it quite difficult for the movements to be performed.

If you were to take a QH that fit the breed confo. Specs perfectly, and a hanoverian that did the same, start them both with the same trainer at the same time, and check in on them in 3 years, the warmblood would be doing the movements more naturally than the QH - - It's just how they are built. The QH would be able to perform the movements, but it would be harder for him.

By the same token, if you were to take another "perfect" QH and another "perfect" hanoverian, and teach them both to do reining, well, the QH would be performing the gaits more naturally - - just because that's what he's built to do

So long story short, any breed can do dressage. But if you want to move up through the levels and not cause undo stress on joints/etc. in the upper levels, then why not go ahead and get something that is built to do it?

By the same token, the first few levels really don't require that much collection or stressful movements, so if that is your goal, any breed can do those levels
     

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