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    10-27-2011, 11:58 AM
This REALLY wound me up!!

On another forum there is a slightly older chap who has labelled his horse as 'dangerous', now knowing his background and history, we've helped him in any way we can, but this made me fume! One poster said please please lunge the mare before you ride her, until she's dripping with sweat sort of thing. I joked and said make sure she's white with it.. and this is the response from one person!

'Erm sweat dripping off of her? To me that's abuse and the bad end of the scale of 'dominance'.

And then I happened to mentioned just because a horse is sweating or a bit lathered doesn't mean its not just working, it might just be working correctly. IMO lunging is a fairly intensive excercise for horses. I also put that comment made my day!

Lungeing and sweating a bit - ok. Running a horse's butt off for kicking you (caused by your lack of prevention in the first place) is fine with me (correction). But lungeing a horse til its 'dripping with sweat and white' as you said for teaching and training? (Direction) Wow. Bet a horse loves that. Such fun for a horse. Glad I made your day. Have you made Duffy's day yet by gettting her dripping with sweat and white yet?

Because I work my horse and she sweats, and lathers between her hind legs, bridle area and by her numnah on occassion does not mean I'm being cruel to her, it means she is /working/, she's a /sports horse/ not a happy hacker.

Okay, fume over. I think.
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    10-27-2011, 12:30 PM
Thanks for posting. This is PRECISELY why I stopped visiting one horse forum. EVERYBODY there was an expert and they liked to misinterpret, as in your case. I agree, lunging SHOULD be work. Sadly, I am new to it bc my horses in the past came to be broken in, and I did enough "ground work" while directly them in lessons, walking around in the middle of the arena. Too bad that these folks don't realize that working into a sweat both releases endophins in the horse (as it does in people) and relaxes them, and these two things are pleasurable to the horse. Also, I hope that these folks stick to horses and not have any more petulant, spoiled or bullied children to thrust onto society. I guess you needed to post some pictures of just how sweaty and nervous (not!) your horses are when you lunge them into a sweat, along with a sworn, affidavit assuring them that you are not a horse abuser.
C'mon--every horse is different, every workout is geared to the present condition or training of said horse--that's why WE are in charge, and not the horse. The horse would just develop a happy routine and never want to change it!!
Glad to know that you know how to lunge for results. I will REMEMBER this, so I know of another expert to ask as I hit snags in my lunging training with my 5 yo's!
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    10-27-2011, 12:53 PM
You'd have to lunge my paint for an hour before she'd sweat (well, unless we have 90F outside with humidity). Would make the person more tired than horse. I usually don't lunge (I get on and work in saddle), but there is nothing wrong with some warm-up on lunge before getting to work.
    10-27-2011, 12:55 PM
I try to lunge my horse everyday. He ends up dripping sweat and gets lathered because he is on the heavy side. But I know its a good thing. So I don't think im abusing him.
    10-27-2011, 01:13 PM
I plan to go jogging today. I'm south of Tucson, and I'm going to sweat. Guess I'm cruel.

Besides, if it is a mare, she doesn't sweat. She perspires. There is nothing mean about perspiring.

And I am NOT chubby. I'm just prosperous...
    10-27-2011, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
You'd have to lunge my paint for an hour before she'd sweat (well, unless we have 90F outside with humidity). Would make the person more tired than horse.
I ended up doing just that with my 5yr old when he decided to have a tantrum. It just wasn't safe to fix him under saddle, dang horse was way too energetic and way too athletic and it wasn't an *if* but a *when* I was going to end up in the dirt that day if I didn't get off. Took both my trainer and myself over an hour of lunging until he stopped throwing his tantrum. Yes, he was white and dripping sweat by then but if he'd stopped being an unsafe idiot, we'd have stopped lunging. We tried stopping at multiple points and the second we did, back to idiot behavior like charging people, trying to bolt and so forth.

Not my idea of a good time but it got our point across. Want to be an idiot? You'll get to work until you stop being one.
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    10-27-2011, 04:19 PM
Thank you guys *wipes tear from eye*
I am fuming! I left at that point because I thought I am not not not lowering myself to an argument.
I thought lunging WAS supposed to be teaching and training anyway? I don't lunge to have an easy time!!
I rode Duffy tonight, she was soaked, I put her in the horse walker. What these fools have to realise is that if the horse didn't want you on its back, you wouldn't be there!
    10-27-2011, 04:41 PM
So its ok to ride our horses until they sweat but not ok, infact its abusive, to lung them until they sweat? Intresting!! I'll keep that in mind next time I feel the need to "abuse"my horse.

Honestly! Some people I swear! Theres nothin wrong with working your horse until they sweat. Weather its on the ground or in the saddle. As long as you understand when to stop etc etc
    10-27-2011, 04:46 PM
I actually agree with your nemesis. Exhausting a horse does absolutely nothing. It certainly isn't disciplinary, it solves no training problems, and it definitely doesn't make a horse less likely to act out or be dangerous under saddle.
    10-27-2011, 04:50 PM
Originally Posted by bubba13    
I actually agree with your nemesis. Exhausting a horse does absolutely nothing. It certainly isn't disciplinary, it solves no training problems, and it definitely doesn't make a horse less likely to act out or be dangerous under saddle.
i agree. It doesnt fix any problems other then to tire them out.Unless you are doin certain exersizes to help with respect etc. but it certainly isnt abusive. In my opinion anyways as long as you don't run them into the ground. Like know your horses limits

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