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    02-16-2012, 10:54 PM
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Rising trot help. With and withought stirrups?

A bit of back story... With two years off of riding and quite a bit of weight gain due to medical problems, I lost a lot of my muscle and riding skills. It has now been about four months back to riding and I am progressing along slow and steady.

With the horse I am leasing I have mastered the sitting trot... Well, its not perfect but its 100% better then I was when I first started. I was riding him western but have gone back to my preferred riding style english, because I would like to start doing dressage and jumping again.

I am having LOTS of problems with the rising trot. My lease horse needs a lot of leg to keep him going and my leg swings forward when I rise in the trot because I am pushing off of the stirrups. As a result he slows down because I think I am throwing myself and him off balance. My trainer told me to do lots of stirrupless work with rising trot to fix this... but I am not going anywhere. When I try to rise with no stirrups I go forward a tiny bit, but not really up. I never used to have this problem. What am I doing wrong? She also wants me to do 2-point with no stirrups, but how can I do this when I can't lift myself up into the proper position? Do I just need to practice a lot and gain more muscle? What exercises can I do to gain the muscle?
Sorry this is so long.
     
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    02-16-2012, 10:59 PM
  #2
Trained
If you are confident enough, a good way to quickly build legs of steel is to hike your stirrups up to as short as they will go and ride walk/trot/canter in a half seat with you butt just barely out of the saddle so all the balancing work is done by your lower legs.
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    02-17-2012, 12:17 AM
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It might be that when you sit his trot, which I am going to make a guess is prett slow, more like a jog, that you are way back on your "back pockets", slumped a bit at the waste and are consequently behind the motion of the trot.
You can get away with that when sitting, but when rising, you don't want to be behind the motion of the trot or you will struggle a lot, and your leg will come out in front of you, as if you are constantly struggling up a hill. Any of this sound familiar?

Two things to consider;
Does your english saddle fit correctly? If it is too high in front, it will put you in a chair seat which creates a behind the motion position.

Does you horse have enough impulsion for you to post off of? If not, snap him a quick one with the crop and get more energy and foward movement without you doing all the work by squeezing him every step of the way.
     
    02-17-2012, 12:48 PM
  #4
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
It might be that when you sit his trot, which I am going to make a guess is prett slow, more like a jog, that you are way back on your "back pockets", slumped a bit at the waste and are consequently behind the motion of the trot.
You can get away with that when sitting, but when rising, you don't want to be behind the motion of the trot or you will struggle a lot, and your leg will come out in front of you, as if you are constantly struggling up a hill. Any of this sound familiar?

Two things to consider;
Does your english saddle fit correctly? If it is too high in front, it will put you in a chair seat which creates a behind the motion position.

Does you horse have enough impulsion for you to post off of? If not, snap him a quick one with the crop and get more energy and foward movement without you doing all the work by squeezing him every step of the way.
When I did start sitting his trot it was more of a slow jog, but now it is usually more of a working trot. I think I might be behind the motion though. I will have to pay more attention next time I ride and I am getting a friend to video tape me so I can see what I am doing. I might put it up here for a critique

The english saddle I am riding in is too small for me. I am not bulging out of it, but I can't fit four fingers in the front and back. It does put me into a very small chair seat, but if I just focus on my position I stay out of the chair seat. I don't have access to a bigger saddle.

As for impulsion, I recently started riding him with a dressage whip. I rarely have to use it because the fact that I am just holding it makes him listen to my leg better and have more impulsion.
Thank-you for the reply.
     
    02-17-2012, 01:05 PM
  #5
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Then, I have a guess that the position of the saddle might not be helping you.
If the saddle is not a good fit for the horse, say, too narrow in the front, it will be front-high, which makes the rider ride in a chair seat, and have to fight to not do so.

I think some photos of the saddle on the horse, on level ground, and a video of yo riding will be good to look at. Posting a video for critique takes courage , so I commend you there.
     
    02-18-2012, 01:34 AM
  #6
Showing
Just warm up at the walk in two-point. Learn to stretch that leg down and keep it solid underneath you. But he needs to do his part too, keep him round and forward going.

It'll be really awkward at first, but pretty soon you'll have a nice strong leg and good balance, then you can graduate to trotting in two point.. and THEN your rising trot and even sitting trot, will be tons better.

Watch that "small chair seat" as even a slight misalignment can make your horse very off balance and make your aids fuzzy to read.
     

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