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        09-24-2009, 07:06 PM
      #21
    Zab
    Yearling
    Subsections kinda suck anyway.

    But perhaps sidesaddles should have one..
         
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        09-24-2009, 07:37 PM
      #22
    Started
    If it is to be a sub section, it should be an "English" subsection, or a separate forum in the "Riding Horses" section of the forum. Definitely not a subsection of a subsection, let alone the gaited section.

    As a side note, a sidesaddle is legal equipment in Saddlebred Saddleseat shows.
         
        09-24-2009, 08:01 PM
      #23
    Started
    Actually, no. I think Saddleseat discussion should be kept to in the main English forum, where this topic is posted. I am not changing my opinion, because I still feel strongly that Saddleseat should be represented, but no need to make a big deal over it.

    Really though, I feel that all USEF disciplines should have their own place. However, I think that many can be combined. Reining could easily have its own sub section, but that could be combined with Western. The more I think about it there isn't really any need for additional forums, except for maybe a section for Para-Equestrians, Vaulting, Roadsters, and Parade....

    Maybe a "Misc." section(excluding the Para-equestrian which I think would be a better new forum choice than Saddleseat, which fits well in the English section).

    All USEF recognized disciplines.

    International
    Combined Driving
    Dressage
    Endurance
    Eventing
    Jumping
    Para-Equestrian (<<<--- this needs to be a new section. With all the interest in Therapy Horses/programs, I think this would be a great thing)
    Reining
    Vaulting

    National
    Carriage Pleasure Driving
    Hunter
    Hunter Seat Equitation
    Parade Horse
    Roadster
    Saddle Seat Equitation
    Western
    Western Seat / Reining Seat Equitation

    And to clarify the Sidesaddle thing, I find this pretty dang cool: Did you know... - Trot.org Forums
    ^That is why I love Trot.
         
        09-24-2009, 08:09 PM
      #24
    Green Broke
    I'm perfectly happy with what this forum has already provided us :)
         
        09-26-2009, 01:37 PM
      #25
    Weanling
    Isn't the gaited section under "Horse Breeds?" The problem with that is it kind of takes a leap to think to look there for riding related info there. I don't think it's unreasonable to add a specific SS section under the riding section, whether as a subsection or as a separate discipline. It might help to attract some new people to the forum and help to spread information about a pretty cool discipline.

    For SS enthusiasts - does the Rack not count as a gait?
         
        09-27-2009, 01:43 AM
      #26
    Started
    Yes, PoohLP, the rack is a gait. The walk trot and canter are gaits as well. And you are also correct that there is a gaited section. However, since SS is not specifically for "gaited" breeds, SS would be a better fit in the English, or other riding sections. I personally would not post a SS related topic in the gaited forum, because I don't consider my breed a true gaited breed. I would post where this topic is posted, in the English riding section, becuause it is a style of english riding, no matter what the beastie you are riding is doing with his feet. It is all semantics and technicalities.
         
        09-27-2009, 04:37 PM
      #27
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LadyDreamer    
    Yes, PoohLP, the rack is a gait. The walk trot and canter are gaits as well.
    Ok, so I guess my question is if the Saddlebreds tend to have that extra gait, the rack, why do they not count as a gaited breed? I thought that having the extra gaits, beyond WTC, is what makes a horse gaited?

    This has nothing at all to do with where topics should or shouldn't be posted, I'm just using the opportunity created by this discussion to get an answer to something that sort of confuses me.
         
        09-27-2009, 09:07 PM
      #28
    Started
    The American Saddlebred is predominantly a Trotting breed with the ability to learn the rack and the slow gait. Many young foals will rack out in the field as it is easier to keep up with mom that way(well, my babies this year thought they were thoroughbreds and RAN everywhere they went), but once they develop their trot, they usually keep it. The true natural gaited Saddlebreds(natural in the way of how TWHs do their little gait all the time) are few and far between.

    If the Saddlebred does not exhibit certain traits that are desirable in the show ring as a five gaited horse, or would look better as a three gaited or harness horse, then it is not worth the time to gait them.

    There are many factors that go into deciding whether or not a Saddlebred is going to be taught. Some bloodlines favor gaited horses. The conformation of the horse, from the placement of the neck, to the back, to the shape/curve/placement of the legs. It is said that a cowhocked horse is easier to rack than a very straight legged horse. Also refinement. Usually, five gaited saddlebreds, are thicker, more massive, and can be a little coarse as compared to a trimmed 3 gaited horse who needs exceptional refinement. The shape and natural growth of the foot, especially the hind feet are great factors to consider. I have a two year old who we originally thought would make a nice gaited horse, but the simple shape of his back feet will get in his way when it comes to sliding into the gait. And then the inclination to learn. A horse that is more lateral will be easier to teach. Bloodlines also play a part in the mind, temperament and trainability of the horse.

    All Saddlebreds can learn, but only those who meet the requirements are taught. Heck, if they would make a better three gaited horse, then that is the division they need to focus on. To a lot of trainers, there is no point in gaiting a horse that will not be competitive in that division.

    Here is a good article for you. Getting the first steps. How a young Saddlebred is taught to rack. | Trot.org
         
        10-01-2009, 07:59 AM
      #29
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by trashcanchaser    
    the majority of horses that are ridden in saddle seat are not walking horse. There are saddlebreds arabians national show horses, hackney ponies. It would not hurt anything so I don't see why it couldnt happen
    You have forgotten to mention Morgans, Morabs, Fresians, Hackneys, and Appaloosas.

    As far as Saddleseat being considered a smooth gaited then you probably haven't ridden a Saddleseat horse with perpulsion in the back end. These horses have a lot of hock action that don't necessarily make it so smooth, atleast at the trot.

    There is more to Saddleseat then "fire breathing horses with lots of action and horses that are on the redline between sanity and insanity, lol"!
         
        10-02-2009, 01:06 PM
      #30
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LadyDreamer    
    Actually, no. I think Saddleseat discussion should be kept to in the main English forum, where this topic is posted. I am not changing my opinion, because I still feel strongly that Saddleseat should be represented, but no need to make a big deal over it.

    Really though, I feel that all USEF disciplines should have their own place. However, I think that many can be combined. Reining could easily have its own sub section, but that could be combined with Western. The more I think about it there isn't really any need for additional forums, except for maybe a section for Para-Equestrians, Vaulting, Roadsters, and Parade....

    Maybe a "Misc." section(excluding the Para-equestrian which I think would be a better new forum choice than Saddleseat, which fits well in the English section).

    All USEF recognized disciplines.

    International
    Combined Driving
    Dressage
    Endurance
    Eventing
    Jumping
    Para-Equestrian (<<<--- this needs to be a new section. With all the interest in Therapy Horses/programs, I think this would be a great thing)
    Reining
    Vaulting

    National
    Carriage Pleasure Driving
    Hunter
    Hunter Seat Equitation
    Parade Horse
    Roadster
    Saddle Seat Equitation
    Western
    Western Seat / Reining Seat Equitation

    And to clarify the Sidesaddle thing, I find this pretty dang cool: Did you know... - Trot.org Forums
    ^That is why I love Trot.
    I really second your sections or sub sections being based on USEF Disciplines, and since I live with a serious computer programer who does it for a living I kind of know what it takes to create a section and its not much, its a stock template for each forum and you name them and decide how you want it linked, as a forum or sub forum. If the messages just get moved to another forum it doesnt take more memory, the memory is just moved to a different location. Now I am sure the webmasters here are plenty busy, and they probably don't want to invest time into creating sections no one uses or see the site get cluttered and people getting lost. But the theraoy horse section is great! I have dealt with challenged individuals and know of one who I have to see at the barn regularly and I would love to discuss with others how to make the situation safe, activities that are appropriate, general rules one should follow.

    When it comes to smoothness if asking for a true collected trot on any horse their hock action should increase so they take smaller steps by engaging their hind end not just plodding lazily, thusly resulting in a smoother more appropriate trot to sit, so I don't think having more hock action makes a horse less smooth, gaited horses have proved that the more action the smoother the horse, but having a powerful horse underneath you can make their movement more exagerated seeming.
         

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