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  • Why are snaffles used in dressage
  • Why is a snaffle bridle used in dressage

View Poll Results: Do you think a snaffle with drop/flash noseband is better than a double bridle?
Yes 8 72.73%
No 3 27.27%
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    08-09-2008, 06:44 PM
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Snaffles in dressage

I have seen a lot of this lately... I'm not a dressage rider so I wanted to get some opinions on it. Do you think a snaffle bit with a drop/flash noseband is easier on the horse than a double bridle?
     
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    08-09-2008, 07:27 PM
  #2
Yearling
Don't flash nosebands have a different purpose than double bridles? Flash nosebands hold the horse's mouth closed, whereas the double bridle uses a curb bit to place pressure on the poll. So they're not two ways of achieving the same thing and I'm not sure how they can really be compared as 'easier' than each other.
     
    08-10-2008, 05:35 AM
  #3
Yearling
They are 2 entirely different peices of tack that are used under different circustances. And if a double bridle is used correctly it should be just as gentle on a horse as a snaffle. That being said, even a snaffle in the wrong hands can do some damage.
     
    08-10-2008, 07:33 AM
  #4
Yearling
I'm now wondering why double bridles are allowed in dressage, when the horse is ridden in a snaffle to show how soft and willing it is. Why is a curb allowed? XD
     
    08-10-2008, 08:26 AM
  #5
Yearling
The curb part is only used for a breif moment to grab the horses attention, usually before an advanced movement.
     
    08-10-2008, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by claireauriga
Don't flash nosebands have a different purpose than double bridles? Flash nosebands hold the horse's mouth closed, whereas the double bridle uses a curb bit to place pressure on the poll. So they're not two ways of achieving the same thing and I'm not sure how they can really be compared as 'easier' than each other.
You're right they are not the same thing and yet people are using them as such. This is what I don't understand. The flash noseband prevents the horse from opening its mouth so the rider can collect the horse with just a snaffle. I guess the argument is that double bridles are so harsh this is better? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
     
    08-10-2008, 10:11 AM
  #7
Yearling
Well, flash nosebands are used a lot in racing and cross-country, to help keep the bit in the horse's mouth and keep it from dropping the bit while it's racing along. I'm not sure how it helps collect the horse as it can't work in the same way as the curb - unless it can put pressure on the poll, which I don't think it can? If anyone knows, please enlighten me :)

I know the curb is only used lightly and briefly, but I still wonder why it's allowed, given the principles behind riding in a snaffle ^^ It's a curious thing.
     
    08-10-2008, 02:55 PM
  #8
Green Broke
Depends on your horse and your level of riding. A double bridle can be very severe in the wrong hands and should never be used until you and the horse are ready to do so. In fact, you can't even show in a double bridle until 3rd level (nor is it really necessary). It's expected in the upper levels as it's a much more effective bridle at that level. Until you're at third only snaffles (including french links, Herm Sprenger, etc) are permitted.
     
    08-10-2008, 04:37 PM
  #9
Yearling
Ah, that makes more sense. You're only allowed to use that kind of bridle when you're good enough to not need it - or to use it with great subtlety and skill, as an additional means of communication rather than to control a fault :)
     
    08-10-2008, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by claireauriga
I know the curb is only used lightly and briefly, but I still wonder why it's allowed, given the principles behind riding in a snaffle ^^ It's a curious thing.
The pressure on the poll and chin that a curb provides is what puts the horse in the proper frame. Snaffles only pull straight back, which is why if you try to put a horse in a fame using a snaffle they will open their mouths, so you need a flash noseband to stop that. When you collect a horse in a snaffle you are literally asking them to "stop" and "go" at the same time. A curb makes the horse transfer their weight to the hind end and drop their head vertical, which is how they are supposed to be in dressage. It's about leverage.

My question is whether people think hauling on a snaffle bit the horse can't escape from (because of the flash) is still less harsh than using a double bridle.
     

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