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    07-23-2011, 01:07 PM
  #11
Trained
My horse was severely beaten in the face and while being ridden. He was beaten so bad that he wouldnt let anyone walk up to him while he was being ridden bc the rider and trainer would both beat him while he was being ridden [yes I witnessed this, I know his previous owner and trainer] I worked for hours on getting him comfortable with the crop - it is possible. Im sorry but I don't accept the my horses was beaten/was abused/was a rescue reason for not being able to carry a crop, but that's just me. It is VERY easy to carry a crop and not use it !

I never said you MUST use a crop, I just said its an alternative to spurs if you want your horse to move forward. A crop is not a way to get around proper training, it is a tool that can be used to better your horses training.
     
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    07-23-2011, 01:12 PM
  #12
Banned
It blows my mind how people get so up tight with some things! My lord! Haha but I agree with an above comment "Both spurs and crops are tools, not weapons, and should be treated as such" that is 100% how I feel.
I ride in bumper spurs on my barrel mare sometimes, depending on if she is being a little harder to pick up so that is a training tool for me I do not abuse them but I do feel like for a barrel horse you should not use anything harsher then a little bumber or ball because I do own and have used the "spinny" :) spurs on other horses and sometimes you do not realize how hard you kick or how much you really use your feet until you go to unsaddle and your horse has a cut on her side :( that was the end of those kind on my barrel horse!!!

But really in the end I believe it is up to the rider and the horse owner like I have said before in some of my other post you know your horse better then anyone else does 9 times out of 10 so what you want to do or use is up to you.
     
    07-23-2011, 01:21 PM
  #13
Trained
I have no issue with people wearing spurs, or carrying a whip, yes they are tools not weapons.

My issue is with the person using them, if you haven't been trained to use tools properly then they can become weapons by accident

If you know how and when to use spurs then fine, if you don't then you shouldn't be wearing them. Personally I've only worn them a few times, I don't trust the stability of my lower leg not to use them by accident
     
    07-23-2011, 02:15 PM
  #14
Showing
I don't use spurs as I don't know how (and I don't really need them - leg + whip tap so far been enough for me). But I don't see it being a problem if you KNOW how to use it. Unfortunately sometime people put them on just to jab the horse to "go forward".
     
    07-23-2011, 08:41 PM
  #15
Started
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
im sorry but I don't accept the my horses was beaten/was abused/was a rescue reason for not being able to carry a crop, but that's just me. It is VERY easy to carry a crop and not use it !
Just wondering... Have you ever tried tapping a big muscle filled off the track thoroughbred to get him to go forwards? -That doesn't end well, I know that from experience, and when he couldn't gallop, he bucked, and I mean he really went off his nut, ever since I stopped riding with that whip he's been excellent and he's only just been 15 months off the track where he won 4 races.

While in general yes I agree it is very easy to carry a crop and not use it, there are circumstances (IMO) where you can very easily accidentally use a crop also. For example say your horse spooks and you lose your balance(pretty common), the last thing your going to be thinking at that very moment is "Must not touch horse with whip" -well if your me anyway.

-and I tried out a mare one day who was pretty lazy, but the owner showed me scars and lumps which were from a stock whip, they beat her for no reason, and you couldn't get near her with a whip anymore. No amount of trust/training/desensitizing was going to let you get on that horse with a whip, which was a shame because she was a really lovely horse, but if something flicked beside her (like a whip being used by a rider on a different horse) she would go nuts.

--Btw, not at all meaning my post to be rude if that's how it come off (Suppose that's a downside on computers) just showing my view of this seeing as every person will have a slightly different view.
     
    07-23-2011, 11:16 PM
  #16
Foal
MadamKing,
Thanks for sharing. I love your horse! Hyper when in the jump ring but quiet when not - kinda my dream horse : )
     
    07-23-2011, 11:18 PM
  #17
Foal
MyLittleHunter,
Thanks for the insights. Learned a lot
You are right spur ARE EXTENSION OF THE LEG in my case

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Originally Posted by MyLittleHunter    
Just keep in mind some of us can't use a crop/whip on our horse. Or some horses just do not do well with a crop/whip. They are not the miracle cure for a lazy horse that won't move off your leg. My horse Dallas was beaten badly over the head and in the legs with crops and whips while cornered in his stall. And when being riding the abusive trainer would carry a whip and beat on him the whole ride, over the head, on the butt, you name it. If you try to carry one while riding him he'll become very nervous and sweaty, and once you use it he'll ditch you. Doesn't matter who you are, if you're carrying a crop and hit him with it, he'll make you eat dust. IMO a crop can be just as 'bad' as spurs if in the wrong hands. A crop shouldn't be a way around proper training and getting the horse to move off your leg either. Both spurs and crops are tools, not weapons, and should be treated as such.

I wear spurs on Dallas, he's well trained and moves off my leg but the spurs give us a more refined ride. The spurs must be used correctly, they aren't a way around using your leg, they are for refinement. We show upper level hunters and if I want him really paying attention and totally focused on his work I wear spurs. You need a solid leg to use spurs, yes. But if you ride with a solid and secure leg then there should not be accidental use of the spur. I have also seen riders accidentally hit their horse with a crop while turning, or switching it from one hand to the other. Spurs are a very useful tool, they should be used as an extension of your leg.

Everyone has there own opinion on things like this, I just wanted to point out that crops are not always the answer to a horse that won't move off your leg, and that spurs aren't always bad. Hope that didn't come off as rude, as I had no intention of that. My purpose was to share another point of view.

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As for the OP, the trainer who told you "Oh you have spurs, you must have a difficult horse," is very ignorant. There are many different uses for spurs. Some of the best trained horses you'll meet are ridden with spurs. It really depends on what you and your horse need, and what you want to use the spur for. As I said, the spur is an extension of your leg. I never jab my horse with my spur, I use a pressing action when I use them. Sometimes even just brushing the spur on my horses side is enough. Some people seem to believe the only way to use spurs is to jab with them. If you watch a good rider with spurs you will barely ever see obvious movement of the spur. There are also many different kinds of spurs for both English and Western. Spurs back up and reinforce your natural aids. Spurs are used to give very subtle signals that you can barely see when watching. Spur use should be subtle and quiet. A rider who flaps their spurs all over the place should not be wearing them, and does not know how to use them properly. I don't think spurs should be given to begins to just go to town with. One must be taught how to use them correctly.

I also have a friend who has National and International titles, and he rides his horse in spurs. His horse is one of the best trained horses I know, and is not at all difficult. When you watch him ride it looks like he's doing nothing at all. That's how it should be.

If you don't need spurs don't use them, but there is nothing wrong with using them correctly if they will improve or refine your ride. I think spurs get a bad wrap from people who don't truly understand their purpose and use.
     
    07-23-2011, 11:20 PM
  #18
Foal
OMG so sorry gypsygirl for what happened to your horse!
~hugs~
Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
my horse was severely beaten in the face and while being ridden. He was beaten so bad that he wouldnt let anyone walk up to him while he was being ridden bc the rider and trainer would both beat him while he was being ridden [yes I witnessed this, I know his previous owner and trainer] I worked for hours on getting him comfortable with the crop - it is possible. Im sorry but I don't accept the my horses was beaten/was abused/was a rescue reason for not being able to carry a crop, but that's just me. It is VERY easy to carry a crop and not use it !

I never said you MUST use a crop, I just said its an alternative to spurs if you want your horse to move forward. A crop is not a way to get around proper training, it is a tool that can be used to better your horses training.
     
    07-23-2011, 11:26 PM
  #19
Foal
Thanks so much Holly Bubbles, Equiniphile, Oakley Eastern Miss, Golden Horse, Kitten_Val & Sierrams1123 for the input !!
     
    07-23-2011, 11:27 PM
  #20
Foal

Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
I have no issue with people wearing spurs, or carrying a whip, yes they are tools not weapons.

My issue is with the person using them, if you haven't been trained to use tools properly then they can become weapons by accident

If you know how and when to use spurs then fine, if you don't then you shouldn't be wearing them. Personally I've only worn them a few times, I don't trust the stability of my lower leg not to use them by accident
     

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