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    11-15-2011, 01:02 PM
  #1
Yearling
Standing Martingales?

I have always used a standing martingale in jumping and schooling, and I always see them with other riders. My past coach had us use them, they’re the only thing I see at hunter shows, but why have I heard they’re dangerous? What about them is bad? I use one for jumping all the time and nothing has ever happened, nor have I heard of an incident where something has happened.. Only one time with my horse where someone over flexed her to the point her chin could touch her chest and the martingale looped around her nose. But that was the rider being stupid.
What dangers are there with standing martingales and why are people against them?
     
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    11-15-2011, 03:08 PM
  #2
Green Broke
I have never seen a standing martingale, just had to google it! I suppose, its the same as side reins as riding. You can't give or take when you need to, and if any issue arised, as in the horse reared, it can't use its head and neck to balance itself and may fall over on you.

I prefer a running martingale on my young horse, just in case sort of thing. You posted the thread about the head shaker, right? I would definetly not use something that would fix a shaker down, it'll cause stress on her part, and danger for you.

Hope this helps :)
     
    11-15-2011, 03:17 PM
  #3
Trained
If they are too tight, they can't use their head and neck properly when jumping.

Also, if you're going to take your horse swimming you MUST take off the standing martingale, I know a lady who drowned her horse, because it couldnt lift its head high enough to breathe.

I too prefer a running martingale.
     
    11-15-2011, 03:36 PM
  #4
Started
The horse needs full control of its neck both to jump and to evade the hands of the rider - so some riders deliberately restrict the horse's neck action by fitting a fixed martingale because they are frightened lest the horse might run off.
These 'difficult' horses, often have well developed under neck muscles and a poorly muscled crest.

A running martingale allows the horse more freedom of the use of its neck and the rider can allow the horse more rein as it approaches a jump or other obstacle.

Best practice would be to train the horse to be responsive to the bit and the hands of the rider - without the need for any type of martingale.
Try regularly lunging the horse on a correctly adjusted pessoa, the use of which will encourage the horse to build the muscles which will allow it to walk trot and canter in a rounded outline.
     
    11-15-2011, 03:36 PM
  #5
Trained
Back in the day, when we had all just stepped off of the ark, all the school ponies were ridden in standing martingales, it stopped them throwing their heads up and hitting people, ans was also meant to prevent runaways when out in the trail, once again a horse couldn't get his head right up.

It also means that it can stop a horse using its head and neck to balance properly if they slip or trip, and if the are adjusted to tight the situation is worse. The last time I fitted one we had to make sure that you could pull the strap up into the throat lash area, but no more, then it was fitted OK.

Personally I would never jump with one, and once again in the dark ages we always swapped out for running martingales if we were jumping, and I still have a couple of running martingales around here if needed.
     
    11-15-2011, 05:42 PM
  #6
Yearling
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Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
I have never seen a standing martingale, just had to google it! I suppose, its the same as side reins as riding. You can't give or take when you need to, and if any issue arised, as in the horse reared, it can't use its head and neck to balance itself and may fall over on you.

I prefer a running martingale on my young horse, just in case sort of thing. You posted the thread about the head shaker, right? I would definetly not use something that would fix a shaker down, it'll cause stress on her part, and danger for you.

Hope this helps :)
Um, no my mare doesn't shake her head xP

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Originally Posted by Barry Godden    
The horse needs full control of its neck both to jump and to evade the hands of the rider - so some riders deliberately restrict the horse's neck action by fitting a fixed martingale because they are frightened lest the horse might run off.
These 'difficult' horses, often have well developed under neck muscles and a poorly muscled crest.

A running martingale allows the horse more freedom of the use of its neck and the rider can allow the horse more rein as it approaches a jump or other obstacle.

Best practice would be to train the horse to be responsive to the bit and the hands of the rider - without the need for any type of martingale.
Try regularly lunging the horse on a correctly adjusted pessoa, the use of which will encourage the horse to build the muscles which will allow it to walk trot and canter in a rounded outline.
I only started using a martingale last year. And I don't ride with one too often. What exactly is a pessoa?
     
    11-16-2011, 03:05 AM
  #7
Green Broke
Apologies, wrong person xD

A pessoa is a lunge aid which is amazingggg, I can't describe one, but if you google it you'll see how it works, makes the horse work effectively from behind when lunging without having to double lunge.
     
    11-16-2011, 05:51 AM
  #8
Weanling
They also use a standing martingale in Polo and Polocrosse because it restricts the horses movement and stops them from hitting a rider in the face with their heads while in a game. Often a polo pony flinging it's head up can severly injure a rider. Im really surprised though that an instructor would use them in a schooling and jumping environment

Here's an example: you can see why they use it to restrict the head and avoid accidents during a game.

     
    11-16-2011, 07:15 AM
  #9
Super Moderator
A standing martingale, if PROPERLY adjusted, would only have contact with the horse if the horse threw his head up abnormally high. Usually you see them adjusted so tightly that they are more of a tie down, which is very incorrect.

They are a corrective device!! Unfortunately, in the hunter world, this corrective device has become a fashion accessory. I find that very disturbing. I think if you can show that your hunter does not need a corrective device, it should count in his favor, not against him for not "looking right".

Another problem with a tighter standing is that they will actually TEACH a horse to lean against it and use it for their balance. Then, if you ever want to take it off, the horse's head goes straight up looking for that contact. This is SO hard to untrain in a horse. Anyway, end of that rant.

Are they dangerous? Well, they can and DO inhibit the horse's ability to stretch over fences if they are adjusted poorly. That's why you don't see them in the jumper ring. But their main danger is posed when they are used outside of the riding ring.

They are illegal in eventing for a real reason. If a horse were to take a fall on their side in a water jump, it is possible that the horse would be unable to raise their head above the water, causing it to drown.

They are used in the hunt field and I worry about how some people use them. Water is a reality in the field. EVERY standing martingale should be attached to the breastplate with a snap. That snap should be unsnapped when the horse is in water, IMO.
     
    11-16-2011, 03:34 PM
  #10
Yearling
If used properly, as with any tool, there should be no problem using a standing martingale.
     

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