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    05-18-2009, 09:32 PM
Tell me everything about posting trots

My second lesson was today with a different instructor. Jen, she's really cool.
Anyhow, I'm trying to get the hang of this posting thing, um actually sitting too, so I suppose I'm just confused about trotting.
So what muscles am I using to rise? How can I tell which lead I'm on without looking? How are you suppose to sit a trot without breaking your bum?

Any tips and tricks appreciated. Thanks.
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    05-18-2009, 11:00 PM
The Trot.

Mkay, so first of all, when you rise and when you sit is not a lead, that's cantering and galloping. It's a diagonal. You rise when the outside leg is more forward, or the inside, depending on the instructor and how your taught, but right now it's not very important on which one is right. Just ask Jen or whoever is teaching you. I'm not to sure on the muscles and what not, but mostly its your leg muscles.

To sit a trot, you need to half-halt, squeeze with your legs a bit to keep the horse moving, and lower your hands. Squeezing with your knees work, but it isn't correct and will get painful after awhile. Ask your instructor how to half-halt, because she may not think you are ready and such. But for basics, half-halting is squeezing with your calfs a bit, squeezing slightly with the reins and then relaxing, squeeze, relax and so on.

It is really good if you work on a lunge line first, if possible, so you don't risk hurting the horse's mouth. A good exercise is to get in two-point, or half-seat. That's the jumping position. You'll learn to absorb the shock and it will be easier to post. Please don't bounce on the horse! It hurts their backs and it overall a bad habit! If you feel like you need to stop and reset, walk. Keep your heels down and squeeze with your legs.

Hope this helps, if you need anymore help with anything, be sure to email or PM me!

    05-18-2009, 11:13 PM
The correct diaginal is to go with the outside front/ inside hind. Depending on the horse you should be able to feel him lift you out of the saddle with his inside hind, which is the one that initiates the trot.
For sitting the trot don't squeeze with your knees, you want to wrap you legs around, squeezing with the knees is never good. The best imagry for me for the sitting trot is to almost feel like you are doing mini crunches with the horses movement. You want to let your hips move with the motion of the horse.
    05-20-2009, 03:04 PM
Rise and fall with the leg on the wall. That's an easy way to remember it. When you are tracking to the right, you want to rise in the posting trot as the left front leg (the one closest to the wall) is going forward. And its the exact opposite when you are tracking to the left.

Sitting trot is hard, as I have been dealing wit that myself. The best advice I can give you is to do it in small increments. Sit a few bounces and then go back to posting. Gradually increase the time you sit as you get better and more used to it. Don't brace against your stirrups when you sit the trot because that'll make it even more bouncy. Really flex your heel and sink into your leg and wrap with your calves. It's tricky, especially if you have a horse with a bouncy trot, like I do.
    05-20-2009, 11:56 PM
Green Broke
DO NOT post too hard. SINK your heels down. I think you use the calve of you leg (that muscle tightens on mine_ sit up, and back, keep you hands in place, when I try to check my diagonal I keep my head forward, and glance down. To change it, I stand up, vs sit down, it hurts less. Try riding bareback, it helps you with sitting trot, and to not depend on the stirrup. I've gotten out of place at a trot w/ no saddle, it fells weird. Savannah side passes when it happens to try and catch me lol Good luck!

    05-21-2009, 12:34 AM
What every one else says... to get the right 'diagonal'...ok im really not good at explaning so i'll use an example. Ok say you riding in a arena on 'right rein', clock wise. You are meant to 'stand up' in the stirrups, when your horses/ponys front left leg goes forwards. Then you sit when your horses leg goes back. So in conclusion when your horses 'out side leg' goes forwards you rise, in the stirrups. & when your horses out side leg goes back or your horses 'inside' leg goes forwards you sit. :) hope this helped a little
    05-21-2009, 12:48 PM
Learning to "feel" the correct diagonal takes time. Take a peek at the shoulder, it's not a biggie. Eventually you'll find yourself looking less and less.

For the sitting trot don't squeeze your knee's , that's a really bad habit to get into to. Try to imagine a string attached to the top of your head pulling you up. Sit as straight as you can sinking into your heals and seat, don't brace against the movement go with it, again it just takes practice. On my older guy you can sit the trot all day he's so smooth, the younger one is quite animated so I have to work harder at going with his movement.
    05-21-2009, 03:35 PM
Ok, so what if by going with the trot (This is hypothetical as I do not have the experience, but I'm just thinking) you end up kinda posting due to the horse being very animated. I'm assuming this is okay?
Oh, and I guess, what exactly is the point of sitting a trot when you can just post? Posting seems to be way easier, haha.

Thanks everyone for the advice, it's getting easier in my head.
    05-21-2009, 04:07 PM
Ok, so what if by going with the trot (This is hypothetical as I do not have the experience, but I'm just thinking) you end up kinda posting due to the horse being very animated. I'm assuming this is okay?
Yes in a manner of speaking, but the post also controls the speed of the horse. Slow your post and the horse slows down, energize the post and the horse should extend his trot.

Oh, and I guess, what exactly is the point of sitting a trot when you can just post? Posting seems to be way easier, haha.
LOL you got that right.......sitting the trot is part of the total equitation package. You sit the trot to go into a canter. You would be asked to sit and post the trot in a show. Most advanced collection work is done at a sitting trot.
    05-21-2009, 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by Whipple    
Ok, so what if by going with the trot (This is hypothetical as I do not have the experience, but I'm just thinking) you end up kinda posting due to the horse being very animated. I'm assuming this is okay?
Oh, and I guess, what exactly is the point of sitting a trot when you can just post? Posting seems to be way easier, haha.

Thanks everyone for the advice, it's getting easier in my head.
Posting should be on purpose, if it's not it's just bouncing, which can hurt the horse's back :)

This is the analogy I use with most of my beginning students; most of whom being little girls have liked or taken lessons in dancing before: Imagine it like a dance, where the steps are to sit up and back down every four beats (on the front legs). On the first beat of the outside front leg, you rise in the saddle (I use my thigh and calf muscles, but mostly my thigh muscles-- you will probably use your calves until your thigh muscles are strong enough, but I recommend trying to use them early because it will a.) make your post not ridiculously high and b.) set you up for other things you will learn later on.)

Anyway, moving on, you suspend yourself for the second beat and fall on the third, stay down for the fourth, and up for the first again, and continue, always rising and falling on the same leg/ beat. It's important you don't stand all the way up in the saddle; rather just build up your muscles to the point where you raise yourself just slightly above it; and it's also important you don't smack back down into it, again use your muscles to control your descent so you are gliding back into your seat. Smacking will hurt the horse's back just like bouncing, for the same reason.

If counting your horse's leg movements is too much (and it often is when learning) I suggest having your instructor lunge you at the trot, close your eyes, and count the beats in your head til it feels *right*. You will know when you're posting on the correct diagonal because the horse will help push you out of the saddle and cradle you when you come back down. If it feels almost as bad as sitting, sit down and count 1-2-3 beats and rise on the 3rd beat. This will re-set you on the other front leg.

As to sitting trot, this is where it gets complicated. Someone else already mentioned the string through your head; this is where you have to learn to do many conflicting things with your body at once. Sit tall with the string; but relax your lower back and pelvis, and allow them to absorb the shock from the trot. It takes practice-- a LOT of it-- to soften your hips and back while maintaining your posture and position, but it will come with time. Don't fight the trot, learn to move WITH the horse.

As to why you would ever want to sit as opposed to trot, I thought the same thing when I first learned to post. But I think it's just an important skill to have; not only is it an accomplishment as a rider, but it allows you to have flexibility when you're in unusual situations with your horse. For example, as you advance you'll need to learn to sit if you want to ride Western competitively, or if you want to go out on trail sometimes, sitting gives you a more secure seat than posting if the horse spooks, once you're good at it. Also, posting can be plain tiring after a really long workout and sometimes it's nice to know that you can stop for a while without ruining your horse's back, or the workout you just had. :)

Hope this helped. If I got anything wrong I assume the font of knowledge on here will correct me. :)

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