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    02-17-2009, 10:18 AM
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tips for creating impulsion?

I find the best way to get impulsion through the back end is at a sitting trot. I sit back and deep and use a ton of leg, trying to get my horse to move underneath herself with minimal contact. Using a lot of leg seems to do the trick. Stop and start is also helpful too. But other than leg pressure, what other tips create impulsion??

Please help. Thanks!
     
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    02-17-2009, 10:31 AM
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Weanling
I have found through my experience, that if you have your horse in a good collected headset and really -use- your seat (like you said, sitting trot) it really drives that hind end underneith them creating the perfect frame.

When I post the trot, I almost rock forward when I stand up to help push the horse's hind end underneith them. It gives them the little umph they need, in my opinion =)

When ya sit the trot, don't just sit deep, really rock your seat, rub the stitches off of the pommel/seat! LOL! And make sure you have a good headset/collection going to get them to move into that bridle.

Practice makes perfect!
     
    02-17-2009, 10:40 AM
  #3
Weanling
Holding the horses mouth and 'pushing the horse through the bit' works at any gate. It will get the horse to lift its back up and reach underneath of its self.
     
    02-17-2009, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Skippy!    
I have found through my experience, that if you have your horse in a good collected headset and really -use- your seat (like you said, sitting trot) it really drives that hind end underneith them creating the perfect frame.

When I post the trot, I almost rock forward when I stand up to help push the horse's hind end underneith them. It gives them the little umph they need, in my opinion =)

When ya sit the trot, don't just sit deep, really rock your seat, rub the stitches off of the pommel/seat! LOL! And make sure you have a good headset/collection going to get them to move into that bridle.

Practice makes perfect!
Skippy, thanks so much for your advice. But I actually kind of have to disagree with you. I think the "good collected headset" comes because of impulsion through the back end, not the other way around. Creating a headset before the back end is truly engaged creates stiffness and really creates no true headset at all. Right now I'm trying to really forget about the headset when I ride and concentrate on getting the muscle and suppleness through her back through light contact and lots of leg. I'm not sure if it should be "rocking the seat" but sitting quietly in perfect balance, but moving with the horse. Sorry if I totally disagreed.
     
    02-17-2009, 10:44 AM
  #5
Weanling
Ack, I meant to post that another good gate to practice impulsion at is the Walk. Its a good start because you can feel the difference between a regular mosey-ing walk, and a collected hind end engaging walk =)
     
    02-17-2009, 10:47 AM
  #6
Weanling
Jubilee,

When I broke Skippy!, the headset came before the hind end engaging did =) We started him on the standard height headset, and as we would trot, I would hold him slightly and make him move into his bit/bridle, which resulted in the hind end impulsion.

Its what I do with all th horses I train =) From my experience, its easier to get the hind end impulsion with the basic understanding of the headset. The impulsion will definitely make the collection more "complete" and effective though!

Do what you and your trainer thinks will work for ya best!

Thanks for the crit! =)
     
    02-17-2009, 11:06 AM
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Trained
You never ride FRONT to BACK. You never ride the face - you always ride the back end, first and foremost.

You pull your horses face in, your horse is now going around in a false frame - not utalizing the correct muscles they should be using.

Hind end impulsion does not result from a head being held into a position. Hind end impulsion comes FIRST and foremost through correct, precise, accurate riding through balance, correct and educated aids. Nothing more, nothing less.

SEAT to LEGS to HANDS to SOFTEN. That is preached over and over and over again by top riders such as the O'Connor's. Beth Underhill, Ian Millar, and the list goes on...

You ride the back first, activate it through your seat. Then your legs take over, lifting the back and the ribs, and your outside rein is there to only support to allow that energy you created to recycle back through.

The headset comes last. Always.

Your horse cannot move forward when their face is pulled in or held or forced. The horse becomes stiff via through stiff riders arms/elbows/hands/shoulders. The horse cannot get under himself if he is being held in. The horse cannot move forward and freely if his head is being compacted in.

Leave the face alone. Too many riders think the face comes first, when the face will come on it's own through correct, precise riding through correct aids of the rider.
     
    02-17-2009, 11:10 AM
  #8
Weanling
MIEventer,

In the past when I had tried to utilize the back end without collecting the front, the rearward energy just went straight through the long strung out neck and the front feet didnt follow through well, hence why I did it the other way which has always yielded great success for me in all the horse's I have trained.

So that being said, that's why its my opinion that I got based through my experience ;D the end goal was achieved successfully, so it was a win :)

Best of luck to ya Jubilee! ^_^
     
    02-17-2009, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Skippy!    
Jubilee,

When I broke Skippy!, the headset came before the hind end engaging did =) We started him on the standard height headset, and as we would trot, I would hold him slightly and make him move into his bit/bridle, which resulted in the hind end impulsion.

Its what I do with all th horses I train =) From my experience, its easier to get the hind end impulsion with the basic understanding of the headset. The impulsion will definitely make the collection more "complete" and effective though!

Do what you and your trainer thinks will work for ya best!

Thanks for the crit! =)
You were probably not forcing him into a frame though, right? Because, yes I agree, that you need basic contact but I think riders should work long and low first. It's impossible for a horse to carry a true frame unless he's developed the muscles through his back end, otherwise it will just be a false, stiff frame. I'm assuming what you mean is teaching him to respond to your hands through light head carriage while working him with lots of leg?

I'm not really sure about impulsion with younger horses, since my horse is a "been there done that" horse. It's just me "getting there" with her. I find when I try to establish a headset first, we just end up in a mess.

Here is basically, in a nutshell, what I do: I ride on a loose rein first at a walk, work at a motivating the walk in both directions where she has to move underneath herself. Then I'll assume rein position and work on bending, with very very light contact and lots of leg to push her forward. When I ask for halt, I should only have to squeeze and she's there on a dime (we're working on this and she's getting so much better).

When I work at the trot, I start on long rein again with basically no contact and lots of leg, getting her to push herself forward from her hindquarters and lift up her back. I can feel her back lifting and getting supple as she starts to step underneath herself. Then I assume hand position and work on bending. I find sometimes she will put herself into a headset herself since she is able to carry herself through her hind end and back all the way to her neck. When I ask her for halt or walk all I should have to do with her is squeeze (with hands) and she's there because she responds well to light hands.

I've been really trying to focus on a back to front method rather then worrying about where her head is at the moment. I figure that after a long, concentrated effort on the back end, and building of those muscles, she will put herself into frame easily and on her own with light contact to hold the frame.
     
    02-17-2009, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MIEventer    
You never ride FRONT to BACK. You never ride the face - you always ride the back end, first and foremost.

You pull your horses face in, your horse is now going around in a false frame - not utalizing the correct muscles they should be using.

Hind end impulsion does not result from a head being held into a position. Hind end impulsion comes FIRST and foremost through correct, precise, accurate riding through balance, correct and educated aids. Nothing more, nothing less.

SEAT to LEGS to HANDS to SOFTEN. That is preached over and over and over again by top riders such as the O'Connor's. Beth Underhill, Ian Millar, and the list goes on...

You ride the back first, activate it through your seat. Then your legs take over, lifting the back and the ribs, and your outside rein is there to only support to allow that energy you created to recycle back through.

The headset comes last. Always.

Your horse cannot move forward when their face is pulled in or held or forced. The horse becomes stiff via through stiff riders arms/elbows/hands/shoulders. The horse cannot get under himself if he is being held in. The horse cannot move forward and freely if his head is being compacted in.

Leave the face alone. Too many riders think the face comes first, when the face will come on it's own through correct, precise riding through correct aids of the rider.
Thanks MIEventer. Yes, I agree. So I guess it is more then legs then, if the seat comes first? How do I "activate the back end through the seat"? Is it a slight moving forward of my seat bones?
     

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