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    12-02-2010, 11:15 PM
The other thing you could try is using offset stirrup irons, like the ones in the link below, only you wouldn't need the double offset, just the regular kind - this link just had a better picture of what they look like.

STUBBEN DOUBLE OFFSET IRONS | Stirrup irons | Western Shoppe

Alternatively, you could try the offset treads:

OFFSET STIRRUP TREADS | Stirrup accessories | Western Shoppe

Which have the same effect.

Yeah, I know it's kind of 'cheating' in a way, but it's just a thought ;)
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    12-03-2010, 01:20 AM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by horseluver50    
^^ Thanks everyone... the thing with me though is, that I wear spurs, and I have to train my toe in more. It doesn't need to be straight forward, but in between. Everytime I canter, when my feet stick out, the spurs tap her and cause her to do flying changes all the time, which confuses her :S haha

I think my feet are naturally that way though, because when I walk, my feet are outwards too :S
I guess it will take some practice :)

I am not wanting them to be straight forward, just inbetween straight forward and straight out haha. I am starting to ride hunter style, so it's not supposed to be right forwards. But, I keep confusing my horse when I hit her with the spur because my feet are out :)
Do you need to wear spurs? If you do, switch to a smaller spur so it isnt mis-cueing her all the time. So in other words, you have what is called "duck feet"? This probably means that it actually isnt your feet that are the problem, but it could be in your knees or hips.

Originally Posted by PoohLP    
Something to consider. The ankle isn't always the problem with toes out. Sometimes the toe out is a symptom of pinching knee or thighs. If your knees and thighs are correct and relaxed, that should cause your calf to bear more of your weight and balance, which will naturally bring your toe in. Also, make sure your stirrup is laying across your foot correctly, with the outside bar touching your little toe and angling toward the ball of your big toe.
^^This also.

If you are competing in Hunter Eq, then maybe having your feet out at a 90 degree angle to the horse would be marked against....but I do not see how it can. As long as your heels are down and you ride well, it shouldnt affect you.
    12-03-2010, 03:36 AM
You can train yourself, it can be done! In the few years that I started riding H/J I was actually taught to ride with my toes out and my hands in my crotch. I don't know if things have changed, but that is not correct anymore. I stopped taking lessons for a while because they got to be too expensive, and when I had the chance to take a few my new trainer made me keep my toes in. It hurt really bad for the first few weeks, but then it became natural to me. They aren't straight forward, but at the more acceptable 45 degree angle. I also ride with my stirrup with the outer branch forward. So don't feel discouraged. Even if you read some Practical Horsemen articals, sometimes George Morris will say "With the stirrup placed correctly, and the toe out in regards to the riders confirmation" so, if you naturally have "bad" confirmation, then it will make it more difficult for you to ride the "acceptable" way. Good luck!
    12-05-2010, 10:19 AM
I have a similar problem. I learned as a child and they would grab my toes, so I learned to "force" them in, and now I'm having to undo a lot of domino issues with my seat. So now, I am being told to rotate my ankles in and make sure my foot is flat against the stirrup. Also to make sure the outside fork of the stirrup is angled slightly ahead. If I rotate my ankles, then the toe isn't so forced,and it works much better! But my teacher just wants me to have a 45 degree angle or slightly better, not all the way straight. My daughter has the same issue, so it is partly just the way we are built.
    12-06-2010, 05:57 PM
Green Broke
I have this exact same problem, my toes aren't pointing straight out, but are more of a 45 degree angle to the horse, and I feel silly because even the little kids just learning to ride have perfect toes! I have pretty much given up as it being a conformation flaw on my part, it just doesn't feel right to have my toes facing forward, I feel like all the weight of my foot is on my little toe when they are, and actually starts hurt my knees after a while. I also can't even begin to get my toes forward at a trot or canter.

It might just be the way you are built, and I honestly wouldn't worry about it too much, having your toes facing perfectly forward is slightly overrated IMO. While I would work on getting them facing slightly more forward because you wear spurs, I wouldn't be too worried if I were you if they never face totally forward.
    12-06-2010, 07:46 PM
Male and Female Riders: Back in the Saddle Part Two: Horse Riding Evaluation and Improvement by Cherry Hill

Above are two articles on the differences of male and female pelvises and how it affects our (women's) ability to conform to the standards of "correct" position that for centuries has been dictated to meet the MALE pelvis. We ARE different and it's harder for us to achieve some of these positions.

That being said, if you cannot keep your heel out of the side of your horse, DITCH the spurs. Work on strengthening your buttock muslces and the muscles at the very top of the thigh, that roll the hip bone forward (pretend to be knock kneed)

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