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post #11 of 75 Old 02-11-2011, 03:21 PM
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The last picture of the 2 point I would call that a half seat. But I always though jumping position and 2 point were the same thing.

Also the in the last image it looks like the rider is getting sprayed in the face with sprinklers. It made me laugh a little.
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I would say the first pic is full seat, the second 3-point, the third a brushing seat, and the last a 2-point.

Erika--they are but they aren't. Take the last picture from just above ^^ and pretend he is going over a jump. The horse would have closed his angles up...but he hasn't leaned forward at all.

I guess that would mean I am now contridicting what I said earlier though.

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BINGO! You got it Velvet! That's exactly right!

What I am taught by my coach - is that the transition between the Functional Two Point, to the Passive Two Point, is that the horse closes the angles, and all you do is push your seat back.

We shouldn't move at all - shouldn't.....easier said than done........lol, but you are correct. The horse closes the angle - the rider doesn't throw themselves on their horses neck, and does this and that - all we are supposed to do, is just stay put. The horse does the job, we stay out of their way.

Again...easier said than done.

lol Erika - I had to go look at the picture, and you're right! It does look like that.

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So you're saying jump position is the position you're in while in the air over a jump? and The 2 point is like the picture? That makes sense, I was just always taught to call it jump position.
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Yes, because although you are in your two point before and after the jump, it does change when you push your butt back. Plus, I think it is confusing for it to be called the same thing.

When you are told to get into your two point and you are flatting (at least at my barn) everyone assumes a position that they would be in going over a jump. To be more "technically" right, if we were asked to get in our two-point, we should just have our butts out of the saddle, and not pretending we are jumping air.

Does that make sense?

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That makes sense Velvet - great explanation.

I know the two as the titles I've already shared.

Functional Two Point - and Passive.

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Yes that does make sense.
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To me, up until recently, I thought they were the same, until I got to actually thinking about it.

Two point only means two points of contact, and even though I can jump in this position, I also use it for canter work as well, to stay off "my" school horses back and let him move a bit more freely.

So now that I realized that, jumping position is the position I am actually in when I go over a jump.....back flat, hands forward, automatic/crest release, centered over the saddle....letting the horse close my hip angles for me. That being said, I have not jumped a height over 3', so I am not having to put my chest closer to the horses neck like a grand prix jumper might have to.
So really the above should say that it is the same, except one is just a slight variation of the other.....because the 2-point is still the same, its just that I am now over a fence and have closed angles.

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Yes, because although you are in your two point before and after the jump, it does change when you push your butt back. Plus, I think it is confusing for it to be called the same thing.

When you are told to get into your two point and you are flatting (at least at my barn) everyone assumes a position that they would be in going over a jump. To be more "technically" right, if we were asked to get in our two-point, we should just have our butts out of the saddle, and not pretending we are jumping air.

Does that make sense?
Oh okay, I get it now. That is how it is at my barn as well :)

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OK...now that we have all confused ourselves on terminology. LOL

Thanks girls :)

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