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    02-11-2011, 04:31 PM
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    02-11-2011, 10:55 PM
I was taught that 2 point position is when your out of the saddle and only ur hips and heels are in line - like the position you in cross country between jumps
Light seat is sort of half seat where your up in a 3 point position but hovering over the saddle on a jump approach
Jumping position is the position you go in over the jump in the air. Like....
Jumping position..
    02-11-2011, 11:00 PM
I never really cared.. As long as I get over the fence and around the arena without looking like an idiot, it doesn't matter(:
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    02-11-2011, 11:22 PM
Originally Posted by justjump    
I never really cared.. As long as I get over the fence and around the arena without looking like an idiot, it doesn't matter(:
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^^^^ lol me too until I started jumping up towards 1 meter and it counted more as my horses was "picky" with jumps and if I didn't ride him he wouldn't jump
    02-11-2011, 11:22 PM
I'll also add a bit of confusion to this.

I was always taught (Huntseat/Equitation) that 2-point was like the last example photo posted from Practical Horseman. In lessons, my trainer would also call for 'Horizontal close' and 'Vertical far' positions. Horizontal close being the position of a rider over a jump -- hands up on crest, body horizontal (parallel?) to the saddle/horse. And vertical far was basically standing up in your stirrups, straight up and down.

Of course, I haven't heard it referred to that way since he taught it to me, so maybe it was just something he came up with?

With all the various names for positions everyone's mentioned, I wonder if it has something to do with the disciplines maybe? Just a thought.

(I'll have to ask my trainer what she thinks about it. We always end up having mini discussions on how jumpers vs. hunters approach jumps, different hunter styles, etc.)
    02-12-2011, 09:44 AM
Green Broke
That's also a good explaination Opus.

Justjump--it may not matter to you, but I find when I am trying to explain it to someone that it gets lost in translation because of how "loosely" two point can be used.

Corporate--also another good explaination...thank you.

MIE-- *grumble grumble* language barriers *grumble grumble* LOL
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    02-12-2011, 10:36 AM
I'm not sure if I am a big fan of those explanations though - no offense Opus.

The reason being, the Horizontal Close - gives me the impression that the coach is asking the rider to do the angle closing for the horse, insead of just staying put and allowing your horse to come up to you to close the angles.

Could this be why, we see so many Hunters on their horses necks?
    02-12-2011, 01:10 PM
I just started jumping at a hunter barn. Just started. I've had literally 5 lessons.

I am taught to get into 2 point a little before the jump, in a nice 2 point (stretching up, not pulling my shoulders down) and place my hands on the crest and use them to balance if necessary. I hope that is not counted as laying on the horse's neck, I've seen hunters like that I want to learn the right way :/

Actually, I guess it is not 2 point, more like "jumping position". I need to start using those terms correctly!

Anyway, that is off topic.
    02-12-2011, 01:39 PM
Green Broke
Actually Eliz, I think that relates directly to what we are talking about.

What is and is not considered a two point? We know it begins as soon as your butt is out of the saddle (so also a brushing or half seat if that's how you call it), but where does it end? Or does it end?

And by laying on a horses neck is like boobs on mane pretty much. LOL.
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    02-12-2011, 01:43 PM
Oh haha. I'm not allowed to put my chest on lesson horses' necks. :( Lol

Hm. So if it ends when your butt touches the saddle again, wouldn't that make a jumping position 2 point?

What about where your hands are on the neck? Is that the difference between 2 point and jumping position then?

What on earth! Lol

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