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    11-17-2008, 01:21 PM
  #21
tsf
Foal
Vicizmax - I learned the way you described. In my pre teen days I showed Saddleseat and showed Morgans. I was taught to turn the horse's nose to the wall and squeeze with the outside leg. That is how I've trained all my horses to canter as well, but again that is only becuase I was taught that way as a kid. It's always worked for me and my horses.
     
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    11-17-2008, 05:13 PM
  #22
Foal
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Originally Posted by tsf    
Vicizmax - I learned the way you described. In my pre teen days I showed Saddleseat and showed Morgans. I was taught to turn the horse's nose to the wall and squeeze with the outside leg. That is how I've trained all my horses to canter as well, but again that is only becuase I was taught that way as a kid. It's always worked for me and my horses.
I do this every day with my pony to make him more flexible, I make him gallop say on the right leg and turn his head left and vice versa. Its a great exercise, really! The horse is more flexible, builds up balance and muscles :) If you do this correctly, by keeping the horses body straight, but only bending the head to the "wrong" side, it will work! If it all ends in a chaos:

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Originally Posted by Spyder
If you did that to my horse you would get a counter canter.....assuming he would even want to canter, being off balance and crooked.
..then you are either doing it wrong, or your horse is unable to achieve this completely because it is too stiff.
     
    11-17-2008, 06:57 PM
  #23
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Originally Posted by Spyder    
If you did that to my horse you would get a counter canter.....assuming he would even want to canter, being off balance and crooked.
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Originally Posted by Vicizmax    
..then you are either doing it wrong, or your horse is unable to achieve this completely because it is too stiff.

My horse will never canter in a crooked head out position. He is too well trained and would as any good schoolmaster horse would do...simply refuse to go into any movement is such an unbalanced crooked way.

Maybe when you get farther into dressage and learn the finer aids you will understand.
     
    11-18-2008, 09:21 AM
  #24
Foal
What I do is when I am getting ready to push my horse into a canter I kinda wiggle my eet to get gis attention and send him the signle that he is about to go faster and that always works. Hope I helped you!
     
    11-18-2008, 05:36 PM
  #25
Foal
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Originally Posted by Spyder    
My horse will never canter in a crooked head out position. He is too well trained and would as any good schoolmaster horse would do...simply refuse to go into any movement is such an unbalanced crooked way.

Maybe when you get farther into dressage and learn the finer aids you will understand.
I've been riding dressage for 9 years, and I have a wonderful dressage pony and a prof. Trainer who studied 7-9 years specifically how to train young horses. So I think both she and I know what we're doing. Just because it's different doesn't mean its wrong!

And it's not crooked? How is it crooked? If your horse is crooked, then you should straighten him out, because of course he wont gallop when he's crooked. You have to keep the horse straight and the neck has to be flexible enough to turn each way, no matter which gallop the horse is going. You can do the same in trot, and you can't say the horse is crooked in trot, because then I definitely know that you don't understand what I mean.

I can post a video as an example, if you want.
     
    11-18-2008, 07:41 PM
  #26
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Originally Posted by Vicizmax    
I've been riding dressage for 9 years, and I have a wonderful dressage pony and a prof. Trainer who studied 7-9 years specifically how to train young horses. So I think both she and I know what we're doing. Just because it's different doesn't mean its wrong!

And it's not crooked? How is it crooked? If your horse is crooked, then you should straighten him out, because of course he wont gallop when he's crooked. You have to keep the horse straight and the neck has to be flexible enough to turn each way, no matter which gallop the horse is going. You can do the same in trot, and you can't say the horse is crooked in trot, because then I definitely know that you don't understand what I mean.

I can post a video as an example, if you want.
I have seen your pony and it has a lot of issues. I hope with your vast dressage knowledge you will be able to fix most of them. In the mean time I will take the little knowledge I have and run with it.
     
    11-18-2008, 07:47 PM
  #27
Showing
Actually, a schoolmaster should do what the rider tells it - if the rider is asking for a haunches in (what most horses do while travelling crooked) then they'll do a haunches in.
Anyways, I only read a couple posts, and am probably sticking my nose where it don't belong.
     
    11-18-2008, 07:54 PM
  #28
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Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
Actually, a schoolmaster should do what the rider tells it - if the rider is asking for a haunches in (what most horses do while travelling crooked) then they'll do a haunches in.
Anyways, I only read a couple posts, and am probably sticking my nose where it don't belong.

Exactly and a schoolmaster will probably do a counter canter if it is bent to the outside when it is trained high enough that only the slightest squeeze is required of the hip/seat on the side the canter lead is desired. If however the head is just forced outside causing the inside shoulder to fall in and thereby creating a CROOKED horse then a good schoolmaster should do nothing for the aids would be totally wrong.
     
    11-18-2008, 10:21 PM
  #29
Trained
If you are having trouble with walk-canter transitions then go back to trot-canter. Keep your upper body quiet and let the horse do the transition without interfering.
How I was taught to aid for the canter by an FEI dressage judge on her GP schoolmaster who just passaged if you asked wrong (not going to lie I purposely asked wrong a few times haha) is to put your outside leg back and then aid the first canter stride, in time with the outside hind about to lift, with the inside seatbone.
If you need to put the horse's head in any kind of position to get the correct lead then you're doing it wrong. And if you need to kick/sqeeeze you're just pissing off your horse haha.
     
    11-18-2008, 10:29 PM
  #30
Showing
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Originally Posted by Spyder    
Exactly and a schoolmaster will probably do a counter canter if it is bent to the outside when it is trained high enough that only the slightest squeeze is required of the hip/seat on the side the canter lead is desired. If however the head is just forced outside causing the inside shoulder to fall in and thereby creating a CROOKED horse then a good schoolmaster should do nothing for the aids would be totally wrong.

Fair enough :)
     

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