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        05-28-2010, 03:20 PM
      #1
    Foal
    Talking What do you think?



    "Rainy is a rising 3 yr old filly. She is a Sport horse who will certainly reach 16 h, with class, at a price you cannot afford to pass up. Rainy is presently 15.2 and is very dark grey almost black (will likely turn all grey). She's well started, smart and ready to go any way you want. Hidden Treasures has sold two of her older siblings in the past, Wizard was shown and sold as an amazing hunter, and Sirus sold last year as a dressage prospect.
    Video available at "

    They told me she is part draft and part appendix quarter horse, I want to use her for jumping. I'm not to sure what a good jumping horse should look like I won't be doing any serious jumping for a bit but I would still like to have a good horse suited for it when I get up to that level, I just need some opinions and advice. Also, is she actually considered a sport horse?
         
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        05-28-2010, 03:39 PM
      #2
    Started
    If, from over an Ocean, I was asked to comment on her breeding I'd say she has Irish Draught in her. She has foal bearing hips and by the look of her is about 15H2. She is only 3 - she might grow and inch or two.
    But if she is indeed ID with those hips, if you train her, she'll jump like a stag.

    From the poor video I notice a very slight nod at the trot - so just have her feet checked and anyway you should always have a vet check her over fully.

    She looks a nice girl - do you feel comfortable on her?
    And when you give her an apple, does she lick your hand and ask for more?

    A Sports horse is a horse bred for competition - you'll never know until you try.
         
        05-28-2010, 03:45 PM
      #3
    Foal
    I havn't met her, she's to far away if I do decide to get her she will be shipped to me, I will if I decide to get her find a way for her to get a vet check because I don't want to get a horse that is unhealthy/ unsound. She is currently 15.2 and they said she will probably reach 16. There is a decription (sort of) on her under her picture. She looks like a good prospect to me but im not that experienced when it comes to choosing new horses!
         
        05-28-2010, 04:07 PM
      #4
    Showing
    My thoughts:
    1) "rising three" and started under saddle worries me, especially for a draft cross. I'd much rather see a horse started as a 3 year old, if not 4, especially a draft cross.
    2) They use a much too short running martingale - it's a good half foot too short. It's being used as a headset and control device here, not a head-toss deterrent.
    Conformation:
    - her shoulder is really straight
    - neck set isn't ideal (low and low)
    - withers attach fairly far forwards (ideally you want them to slope to an end in the middle of the back)
    - stifle isn't set very low, I would worry about her scope
    - hock set is low, and fairly straight
    - short back

    Could she do the lower levels? Probably; most sound, sane horses can though. She's not going to be your next Open champion though, I don't think. She's got a very cute face though, and she appears to have a good bit between her ears, so that's on your side.
    In my personal opinion, if you're new to jumping yourself, your best bet would be to get an old schoolmaster to learn on, then take on a training project.
    Good luck :)
         
        05-28-2010, 04:32 PM
      #5
    Started
    Erika
    I would never buy a horse I had not groomed, tacked up and ridden.

    Then I would want it vetted by an independent vet.

    If I was inexperienced then I'd take a friend who was.

    It is never a good idea to buy a horse by mail order.
         
        05-28-2010, 07:03 PM
      #6
    Trained
    Lateral canter, straight hocks and wide set hips. Downhill build, long underline and slightly pigeon breasted. Those are the major faults I see.
    It honestly looks like someone cut up bits of completely different horses and then pasted them together. She really doesn't scream jumper to me. I would consider her were I looking for a sane horse to train for a low level lesson program or were looking for something as a project to train over small fences and "kid-proof" for sale as a child's horse. As a competitive horse? Maybe at poles and crossrails and intro dressage.

    A horse is considered a sport horse if it has been inspected and approved by either the American or Canadian Sporthorse registry.

    JDI - a lot of people can't just simply call their 2007 foal 3 in 2010 because it's birthday is in June or w/e so they say "rising 3" to indicate that the horse is technically 3, but has not yet turned 3 by birth age. The horse is 3 and was 3 since Jan 1, like every other 2007 foal on the planet. I hate it when people do that!! Lol.
         
        05-28-2010, 07:26 PM
      #7
    Showing
    That drives me batty... haha. To me, "rising 3" means the horse is almost 3, but is still 2. So, my opinion on them riding it is still the same. Just my opinion though.
         
        05-31-2010, 06:58 PM
      #8
    Weanling
    Small world, this horse is in my province! My sister and I were looking at listings and she caught our eye and we discussed her.


    If she is barely three this year, it's difficult to say how she'll fill out - especially with draft in her lines. I know a couple of horses that could've passed as little thoroughbreds at two years of age in early '09, and when I saw them this year, it was as if they just went poof and turned into little drafties.
    She could make a nice low level hunter or even just an all around horse. She seems like a sweet girl with that hunter-horse "whatever" attitude. Her movement, if developed further, could be lovely. I'm not sure about her jump, obviously with a lack of picture or video.
    She seems hindered by a few things, though. As other JDI mentioned, the martingale is too short and really serves no other purpose than creating a wall for this young horse and teaching her to move hollow. She is much too young to be trotting too much while carrying a rider, let alone cantering. She even looks a bit off in the video (though it could just be her lack of balance, green horses always need time to find their feet!) - I'd give her another six months or more of only ground work. Her shoulder suggests that she doesn't have comfortable movement - though you'd be surprised sometimes. The placement of her lumbosacral joint would, in theory, hinder her from moving underneath herself and taking off for a jump without greater effort - but again, horses can surprise us. These are just some of the things that jump out to me. As Anabel said, she's a bit of an oddly put together horse!

    She is a nice looking filly - adorable, really, like a horse wearing a donkey suit! But given your situation, I would pass and keep looking. A three-year-old is really still a big baby, let me tell you from experience.
    I'd have to go out and see this one for myself to really judge, even if she isn't extremely expensive. She young, and she can go any way at any time over little things that could create huge issues. It's still a big risk and it isn't worth the burden if something goes wrong or if you just don't mesh well.

    If she is your first horse, or if you are a young rider, I would take JDI's advice and go for a schoolmaster or a well-finished horse. Green and green only makes more green, and it isn't fair to either horse or rider to go through with that.
    And, as Barry said, it's never good to open a catalog and say, "I want that one."


    Good luck in your search for a horse! The market may seem slow during show season, but it will pick up more towards Fall. I'm sure you'll find the right one for you.
         
        06-02-2010, 07:20 AM
      #9
    Green Broke
    I agree with Barry, I think she may have irish draft in her, very good for jumping :P
    I do think you should meet, handle and ride her though before you buy and definitely have vey check.
         
        06-02-2010, 07:54 AM
      #10
    Trained
    My vote would be percheron cross......just looks like one to me, I would also agree with the fact that she has been started too early.....I am now living with the effects of that with my 21 yo clyde cross......stifle issues, etc, and now semi retired. I do believe he would have lasted longer in steady work had he been started later, especially with jumping. Also would be especially cautious about mail order horses......altho I DO know how tempting it can be......Good luck!
         

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