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  • Bits used for a horse that fights the bit all the time
  • Should i use a kimberwicke with my twh

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    07-04-2012, 06:12 PM
  #11
Yearling
Read through this thread. Very informative:
Bit Information (Snaffle and English-Type Bits)

I've seen good results with a Kimberwick on a couple of horses. It's not my preferred bit for the reasons well-explained in the above posts.

My sister-in-law has a couple of rescue-horses. They're TWH from the show circuit. They were ridden in curb bits with chains as the mouthpiece and curb chains. Ewww ewww double-eww. The first thing we did was get rid of those horrid things. I suggested that she put the horses in snaffles to take them back through some basic training and soften them up a bit. Both horses were absolutely confused for some time, then they gradually began understanding the feel of contact and direction. However, the one mare is bred hot - very hot. Every ride with her was a battle for the bit and a workout to the extreme. My sister-in-law and I went back and forth a bit - I feel every horse should be able to respect a snaffle and should be able to be ridden in one if properly trained. She just wanted to be able to ride her horse with some level of control. We met in the middle with the Kimberwick - some leverage for brakes and control, but not so much that she would lose all contact with the mouth. Her horse immediately calmed down, quit fighting all the time, and is easy to control. Horse and rider are very happy. Different horses like/respond to different things, and you never can quite predict what it may be. I like riding a horse in the mildest bit that they can be ridden well in. If your horse is going well in a snaffle and you're getting the performance you want, there is no reason to use a Kimberwick.
     
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    07-04-2012, 06:15 PM
  #12
Banned
Waterford: they are linked, and make it impossible for the horse to be front heavy (they can't lean or pull on your hands, it forces them to be light in their head) I used this bit on my front heavy thoroughbred, and it really helped her. I used a D-ring Waterford on her, but since your horse is a bit of a challenge to turn, I would make the waterford a full cheek, and would buy bit keepers, these help with the turning, putting the pressure on the pole.
     
    07-04-2012, 06:29 PM
  #13
Trained
If your horse goes well in a snaffle, I wouldn't change it.

I think of the Kimberwick as a "refined" bit. It should be used with soft, steady riders. It is easy to over-correct in a Kimberwick. I think you should be able to do everything in a snaffle that you can in a Kimberwick, but using the Kimberwick can let you refine and touch up a little more.

I ride my mare in a Kimberwick. She loves it. It's not a harsh bit on it's own, it's only harsh if you have a heavy-handed rider. It's not a bit for every horse [my Gracie is not at a place in her training that I want her in anything more than her french-link] but it can be a very useful tool for the right horse and rider.

Also, if your chain is engaged the second you touch your reins, it's on too tight. It shouldn't be pressing on the jaw until you are applying a decent amount of pressure. Since I think of the Kimberwick as a refiner, I use feather-light touches on the reins to get the desired results. She only feels the chain if she isn't responding to my "easy" aids and needs a firm half-halt to check her.
     
    07-06-2012, 10:39 AM
  #14
Foal
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Originally Posted by rascalboy    
I personally wouldn't use it.
It is almost impossible to have contact with the horse while using a ported leverage bit such as a kimberwick. As soon as the rider touches the reins, it puts pressure on the mouth, which is normal for any bit. However, a leverage bit also puts pressure on the underside of the jaw, which is basically thin skin and bone. And it also puts pressure directly on the poll, which is, again, thin skin and bone. In most disciplines the rider should establish a contact with the horse. This really can't be done with that kind of bit because contact actually punishes the horse.
Most horses can get used to the pressure and learn to ignore it (in Woodland Eventer's case, apparently). Depending on how often the rider uses the reins, you can actually deaden the horse to pressure applied to the underside of the jaw and/or poll.
I mean, it's basic logic people. You can't deny that the bit works by applying pressure to the mouth, jaw, and poll, regardless of how "gentle" a rider is.
A normal snaffle works on the fleshy part of the mouth only. (Some would argue that broken snaffles put pressure on the roof of the mouth as well but that's another story).
So yeah, please don't use that bit. It doesn't sound like you have enough experience to use it properly. Just go get another snaffle. Try and get a french link instead of a single jointed broken snaffle. They're like $10. I'm sure you can handle it.
I'll correct you since you're using me as a negative example, and I really don't appreciate that.

I do not have the exact bit that OP is asking about. I have a BROKEN SNAFFLE kimberwick without the chain on it. I did look into the negatives of using this bit but when weighing them against the dangers of letting the pony run away with me and know she could throw me off during every ride, the bit was the better choice. The pony did not react like she was in pain and is much more responsive since switching to this bit. My trainer worked with me for years before I got this pony on having light hands and gentle aids. This work paid off in infinite amounts when the bit came into use. The pony is light in your hand and a terrific ride since working in the new bit. She gives lessons now, in the jointed kimberwick, and is a very good teacher after all the hard work we put in. She still occasionally does some beginner dressage with me and has always shown an acceptance of the bit. Does this pony look like she's in pain? The rider has light contact with the horse, and she is accepting the bit nicely.


Sorry for that little rant, I would just like to clear up that I didn't deaden my pony's mouth and yadda yadda. Maybe you should think about things like this before using someone as a negative example. Your opinions are your opinions, but they are not always correct.
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    07-06-2012, 04:27 PM
  #15
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Kimberwhicke low port.

There are three places you can attach the reins to. The bottom slot provides a moderate amount of leverage, top one just a tad, and looping it around the whole d ring basically acts as a d-ring snaffle.
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